Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes LEGION #3 (preview & spoilers)

Thanks, Reboot. Some days I can't recall which end is up in Real Life or fiction.

So, basically the answer is that we can assume that the current continuity is at least an approximation of the previous continuity, which we spent thread upon thread and page upon page arguing about/trying to make sense of! Thanks for clearing things up, DC!

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Some good things have come of it, at least. <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Ryan Choi</span></span> is set to return, for example.

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Ummm, who's that?

The 4th Atom (Star of the "All-New Atom" series. He was killed a few years ago in a less than well received fashion).

Personally, I hate Ultra Boy's new costume.

Wonder what the Dominion's "answer" to the Legion entails--hopefully it will not include B.I.O.N. and SW6 clones... In the reboot it was established that Brainy's anti-lead serum had to be specifically designed for each individual Daxamite (which is why Roxxas and his White Triangle cohorts went nuts when they ingested Laurel's) which may explain the Renegade's mental state. Still wonder if Saturn Girl will still be 'after Harmonia Li's blood' as previously hinted...

Again, a good issue. Think that the main Legion book is the best, the addition of the new members gives it a fresh feeling, the team is a team again, good artwork, I like it.

What I was wondering was: How many active members are there? There were 17 members to be seen in #3, Garth, Imra, Nura and Thom were missing but I guess are still active members. So is it 21 members, or am I missing somebody?

I think you are absolutely correct in your comparison with the Mon-El white-out soft reboot.

Where this reboot differs though is that Giffen and the Bierbaums seemed to delight in changing things for the sake of it - retrospectively renaming Luornu as Triad for example. That is not Paul Levitz's style. he tries to build on what went before. Very little in Secret Origin conflicts with previous history (except the uniforms which probably weren't Levitz's choice). I can't see Levitz turning anything over that he has written in v2,v3 or v6 other than where it conflicts with current Superman chronology.

I use four definitions:

BACK-STORY which adds new historical information but without changing any known facts or events.

RETCON for where a previously known event or fact is no longer true without a cause being shown. Retelling the meeting of Superboy and the Legion showing Lightning Lad in his classic costume was a retcon in the 1960s.

SOFT REBOOT is when history has changed due to an in story event but much of what went before is still valid. Crisis on Infinite Earths/Pocket Universe as well as the Mon-El white-out and Infinite Crisis (leading into the Lightning Saga) were soft reboots of the Legion. Flashpoint is a soft reboot of the Legion

HARD REBOOT is when history is completely rewritten and starts again like the 'Archie' Legion. The Byrne Superman was a hard reboot of the Man of Steel, as is Flashpoint.

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I admit I haven't gone back and re-read all of v2/3 but from memory all we knew about Lu was she was from Cargg which had a triple sun and joined the Legion after meeting each Legionnaire separately. No conflicts there.

Brainy was an orphan who never knew his father and did some work for Metropolis Uni/Time Institute. Again no conflicts so far.

Tinya had a Secret Origins story writtem by the Bierbaums just before v4 which was so removed from what we knew before that I tend to think of it as being set in the 5 years later universe. Other than that the only history I can recollect was the Secrets of the Legion which didn't show how or why she came to Earth.

If I've missed anything please feel free to correct.

I think the idea that Phantom Girl is one of only a few people who can travel dimensions using their phasing power is new. However, it's pretty much necessary as well, since otherwise if Bgztl is as populated as Earth you'd expect to have crowds of Bgztlians walking through people's private houses on Earth 24 hours a day.

You really can't justify saying it's a reboot because one or two small things were changed. If that makes a reboot, then all comics are being constantly rebooted. The changes we are getting post-Flashpoint are no bigger than the changes any comic goes through during non-reboot times.

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The Cargg disaster is new but as we never saw Cargg, we don't know it didn't happen in the original continuity.

Tinya hasn't yet come to the notice of the Legion so the old meeting could still occur.

Brainy may yet end up at the time institurte. I can't remember (though I could be wromg) it ever being stated that he first left Colu specifically to go to the institute as opposed to him being at the institute first ie before the Legion.

During v2 and v3 we saw many little retcons where Legionnaires' backgrounds or origins were tweaked and I'm sure that even if there hadn't been a reboot, those tweaks would have continued. Think Blok, Wildfire, Chameleon Boy or even consider Lightning Lad (landed on Korbal alone then landed on Korbal with brother then landed on Korbal with brother AND sister). This is what comic writers do, reboot or no reboot.

I'm sad to say I'm not really enjoying the legion right now. That said the art is absolutely stunning, the chatacters have on the whole been well written and they are on alien worlds doing things. All of those points should entertain me but just isn't working. Perhaps part of the problem is yet another boot of continuity, part is legion lost- I really wanted to like it but am giving up after two issues. The shafting of the long serving academy kids is another reason. The legion have lost so many members and replace them with two very news kids, harmonia Li the unjustified and Comet Queen- I don't believe it, the shark had been jumped to high for my tastes. I put up with Earth Man (and Shady!!), I tolerated the boring durlan assassination story and the evil blue Baby Darkseid level threat that was never even named. Sadly I'm going to hang around until issue #6 but feel even that will be 5 issues too much. bah.