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[b] I am also mildly disappointed that Tenzil quit, and off-panel too. Surely he deserved at least a one-page send-off.

And looking back at Levitz's older runs, I noticed that poor Tenzil and Tyroc were the only ex-Legionnaires who almost never appeared as supporting cast. Tyroc kind of had an excuse with the whole Marzal dimension-hopping thingie, but after Tenzil's insanity was cured...

I wonder why? Levitz was able to highlight Chuck, Luornu, Jeckie and Val after they'd retired from active duty. Even Supergirl and Superboy would make appearances, and when Light Lass resigned after the Great Darkness she appeared from time to time too.

I demand more Tenzil! MatterEaterLad
I believe the answer is that in the oh-so-serious days of the bronze age Tenzil's admittedly silly power was an embarrassment to both fans and creators alike. Jim Starlin, maverick that he is, brought Tenzil back to eat the Miracle Machine in his Omega storyline. If he had not, I doubt Tenzil would have made any appearances at all until Keith Giffen decided to have some fun with him.

Personally I'd rather Tenz not be used at all unless a writer with an appreciation for the way the character was written during the 5YG is willing to continue in the same vein. Tenzil Kem is a true rarity in the superhero comics world: a competent character in a serious series possessed of an ability that nobody (including himself) takes seriously, who always manages to get the job done, often making more serious characters look foolish in the process. It's no coincidence that his most memorable appearances were in a starring role rather than as a team player. With the right writer Tenzil Kem could well be the Columbo of superhero comics.

I actually applaud Paul for writing him out rather than watering the character down to generic superhero level, as was done during his recent visit to the 21st century. [/b]
While that is definitely true, Hermit, I also think room could be made for Tenzil to remain in a supporting role. Bouncing Boy's powers are just as silly, but he's placed in the Legion Academy - where it's his skill and teaching abilities are important, rather than his power to bounce.

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I don't think Levitz likes Tenzil very much as a character... or, perhaps, just doesn't have an 'in' to Tenzil to write him effectively. You've got to admit that Matter-Eater Lad isn't a hero that every writer could write and write well. I think he's done right by him in that he sets him to the side in each of his stints as scribe, so that other writers can use him easily in their turn. Much preferable to what more selfish writers often do... I think you know what I mean here.

I think he has a similar lack of feeling for Chuck, actually. I'd be very surprised if either of the characters served long stints as legionnaires under his pen. On the other hand, I'd really look forward to different kinds of stories if he did, because I think it'd take a stretch for him to shift his storytelling.
Much like Hermit, I actually agree with the decision to leave Chuck and Luornu, and even Lydda, as reservists in charge of the Academy. Their powers are somewhat limited in combat - this way, it's their skill/character that's more important. I guess my point is, if these three could get treatment like that, then Tenzil could as well.

Though with so many characters now, I also see why we can't have too many appearances by everyone smile

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If Paul, or any Legion scribe, for that matter, has some characters that he 'doesn't get,' the team is way, way big enough that he can set that one to the side and concentrate on the characters he is comfortable with.

There are only so many pages in a book, after all, and I'd rather not read subpar characterization attempts about a character the writer doesn't really want to use anyway (which will probably end up disappointing fans of the character, and 'proving right' those who don't like the character anyway).

Save the pages for characters the writer feels like they've got a handle on, and is excited and engaged to be using.


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Luornu was a big one in the reboot and the 3boot.
Why don't give her the same place in the core team? And just now her power is amplified.
I'm afraid she don't like to Levitz.


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It's possible that even if Levitz wants to use her, he feels like Chuck & Lu are pretty much tied together at this point, and he'd have to take them both. If he doesn't have good ideas for how to use Chuck, he might feel like, to bring Lu into the team, he'll have to cut out someone else (or cut down their screentime) to make room for Chuck, too.

(Not that Chuck, being pretty much indestructible, isn't as valid a Legionnaire as Laurel Kent would be...)

The marriage, I think, cuts into her chances, because to admit her (or Chuck, for that matter) doesn't just eat up one slot, but two slots, and guarantee that at least two Legionnaires will have reduced screentime to fit them into the team.

I see it as an opportunity cost thing. Is adding Lu (and Chuck) to the team worth seeing less of some other characters, or having one or two current Legionnaires sidelined or written out?

Opinions will vary, and I'm sure we can all think of someone we'd like to see *less* than Lu (Earth-Man, for instance), but it really comes down to the characters that Paul (or whoever the writer is) feels like he has the most 'story to tell.'

If Paul doesn't have a compelling reason to use Lu (or Chuck), I'd rather they stay at the Academy than be brought onto the team and then used as poorly or half-heartedly as Gim or Violet have been.


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I'd like them at the Academy, too, just with an Academy book that's being published.
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One of the problems with authors only using the characters that they want, is that they usually pick the easy ones to work with.

And we end up with seeing the same Legionnaires getting most of the story time.
Imra, Jo, and Brainy spring to mind as used by different writers extensively over the last ten years or so.

Some people don't like the Robinson stories, but at least he used some characters that have been mostly unused in any positive ways for quite awhile, Cham excepted, of course.


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I also think room could be made for Tenzil to remain in a supporting role. Bouncing Boy's powers are just as silly, but he's placed in the Legion Academy - where it's his skill and teaching abilities are important, rather than his power to bounce.
Yes, but only if he is portrayed the way he was during the 5YG. Who else could have convinced Sugyn to blow out the candle that must not be blown out? Who else could have tricked the judge into invalidating the entire case against Polar Boy? Who else could have turned Evillo's ultimate weapon into a walking Eyeful Ethel effigy? Who else would lobby for the Bimbo sisters for membership?

You know what? Forget the supporting role. I want a Tenzil Kem solo series. I wouldn't even care if it cost more than $2.99.


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A Tenzil solo series? Fantastic! Tenz could explore all the high strangeness of the 31st century.


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Maybe Tenz's new adventure could revolve around him hosting some sort of 31st century travel-dining show? Y'know, he visits a new planet every issue and stumbles onto some sort of enjoyable mystery, oddity, or crime and then hilarity ensues! Just think of the possible story titles: "Tenzil Kem and the Living Money Restaurant Scam of Altair IV," or "Matter Eater Lad Visits Khundia to See If Revenge Really Does Taste Better Cold," or even "Tenzil Learns Why Dominators Never Eat Ice-cream--Yowch!" laugh


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Who could his supporting cast be? I think Tenzil and Gates would be an interesting pair! Throw in Infectious Lass, a retrobooted Kinetix, or even Comet Queen and watch the comedy gold unfold!

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Actually, if this book was seriouisly going to be made, Gates and Infectious Lass would be great in it. smile


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Jeepers! There already *IS* a Tenzil solo series! It's right here on Legion World in Bits called "Matter-Eater Lad: The Series"!

It's beyond awesome and you guys need to read it ASAP!

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Maybe you guys could even convince the writers to resume their aborted attempt at a retrobooted MEL:TS! wink

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Jeepers! There already *IS* a Tenzil solo series! It's right here on Legion World in Bits called "Matter-Eater Lad: The Series"!

It's beyond awesome and you guys need to read it ASAP!
We want more.


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Comet Queen is on the cover to issue #3

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Why her though? She's brave, and arguably likable, but her powers don't really add that much.

I admit I'm still miffed that Nightwind didn't get in. And therefore, I complain!

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I am super Comet Queen-biased, so take this with a grain of salt, but:

With Wildfire and Dawnstar both in the LL team, the Legion have lost two of their speedster fliers...one thing CQ has a natural aptitude for is flying.

Also, her ability to change the composition of her gases (heh) gives her a decent amount of versatility. So far all I've seen her use it for is a smokescreen or a knockout gas cloud, but I don't see any reason she couldn't develop stuff like a more volatile chemical mix for explosive results, or maybe something for a hallucinatory effect...but even if she never develops her power beyond the stuff we've already seen her do, that gives her a more versatile power already than Dream Girl, Phantom Girl or Shadow Lass have on their own.

Also, it wouldn't kill the Legion to have some more women in the team, and with the Academy kids having such radically different personalities to a lot of the established team, I get the impression that Paul is injecting some new blood into the team dynamics as much as anything else. I do think Nightwind (and the rest of her graduating class for that matter) deserve a spot on the Legion way more than any of the kids who are actually getting one, but I think the way all of these characters have been written of late, the new kids are the ones who are gonna fuel the best interactions...

Personally, I hope Comet Queen and Quislet get on like a house on fire and drive everyone else on the team nuts together. smile

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A Comet Queen and Chemical Kid teaming could be as beneficial as a Night Girl and Shadfow Lass teaming. CQ could produce raw materials for CK to work with. She makes the oxygen and/or other gasses, he keeps them inert until the right moment and then sets them alight. I am sure there are other potential ways their powers could be used really effectively together, I am just not that good at chemistry to poit them out. Hmmm.... for that matter he could probably do some interesting things with Dragonwing's acid barf too..... hmmmm.....

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The Comet Queen/Chemical Kid fighting duo is a good idea.
In that same venue, she and Jan would be good, too.

It seems like CK and Dragonwing are a couple.
Is that what others are getting?

I think that the younger set were added to the Legion because of their age and because Paul has some juice with them.
He also can do what he wants with them and none of us are going to tell him that he's royally screwed them up, i.e. Shadow Lass and Saturn Girl.
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I agree that as new faces they aren't as tied down by continuity. They can be ignorant of the past and serve as a guide to new readers.


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Good points all. Hopefully the new Academy kids will be able to inject some enthusiasm into the Legion.

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I didn't think about Comet Queen filling the flight speedster role left open by Drake and Dawny leaving. Not to mention that if Shady takes a leave of absence after recent events, there's totally a spot for Comet Queen's "gas-out" smokescreen ability. I'm warming to the idea of her inclusion on the team greatly, simply because I can see the logistics even if I'm not her greatest fan.

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