Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Levitz confirms who will join

Thanks, IB, for taking the time to replay.

But, I got the part of cleome's post about calling people what they call themselves.

And I agree with that.
I just didn't understand how it exactly applied to my post.

I didn't mean that I didn't call them lesbians, I just said that my experience was that many of them moved around a lot.
For example: one woman that I worked with was very much outwardly a lesbian, with a partner who seemed equally staunchly lesbian.
But, call her Sally, had had a male fiance who was killed in a car wreck and whom she mourned for quite a number of years.
And even though she had been with her current partner for a number of years, still visited a male friend of mine and played sexual games with him.

Famously, Anne Heche comes to mind.

Sometimes, people don't know WHO they are.
sigh

I would imagine that makes sense to anyone except the arrogant. Or folks from Titan.

Within the story, it seemed to be Cosmic Boy making the decision about the older Academy students - perhaps he was just relaying the decision of the team. It would have been good to read something about the different members' views on who should or shouldn't join; they can't all agree with Cos.

I also wondered if some of the reason for rejection wasn't Rokk's personal feelings about Lydda - he'll reject anyone she trained. (Don't much like Cosmic Boy, do I?)

When the three new Academy students join, it may just be the need to fill membership slots quickly, not that they're entirely qualified. Glorith seems entirely too innocent/naive/unworldly, unless she grows up quickly.

Of course, Shadow Lass got membership in a moment of need and that worked out well.

I'd like to see Gravity Kid dump the Academy and run after Power Boy. True space love!

Levitz has recently said something on the Power Boy / Gravity Kid thing that fans are 'either going to love him or they're going to hate him.'

Being a cynic, that, to me, says that the relationship is over, and / or that one or both are going to die.

'Cause I can't see anyone 'hating him' for giving *any* Legion couple a happy ending...

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I'm still kinda perplexed how Cosmic Boy could rationalize sending the graduates to Takron-Galtos *which has been the scene of mass slaughters twice in the last year* as somehow being 'safer' than letting them join the Legion.

That's some pretty appallingly bad judgement, right there.

As much as I currently have no faith in (nor love of) Mr. Levitz, to be fair his statement could just as easily mean he is going to get them together and that he believes that will tick off the small (but vocal) anti-gay faction that sometimes frequents the official DC boards.

That seems like a good idea.
Especially if Grav is really 18 or 19 years old.

It's my fault, I didn't say it the way I meant to and couldn't seem to say it better.
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After re-reading my lasts posts here, I'm going to change my final comment.

I originally said 'that most of the lesbians that I've met. . .' have some identity issues and that's a fair statement.
After all, they're those whom I've met, not all lesbians.
And I didn't 'Imra' them and I wasn't arrogant.
They were my experiences and my observations over years of interactions.

People can, and do, say anything that they want.
I'm willing to take their words at face value, UNTIL, their actions, on a consistant level, show me otherwise.

Jesus said, (paraphrased) that you'll know they are my disciples if they keep my commandments.'
Those commandments being to love God, to love your neighbor as yourself and to love each other as Jesus has loved us.

If someone says their a Christian and then, doesn't live by those words, that someone is probably deluded, lost in sin(missing the mark), or a liar.

We are all judged by much more than our words.

Speaking as an athiest (there are far more people in Europe than in the US who believe the Bible, Quuran and Torah are pure fiction), I respect anyone who tries to live by the christian principles of respect and caring. Sadly none of the Christians I know come anywhere up to the mark and the more public 'Christians' are the less true to the values they are. I'm looking at you George W Bush and Tony Blair. If there was a Hell those two would rot in it.

Interestingly I know lots of homosexual people but none of them are Christians.

*waves* Now you know OF one, at least!

Though I fail daily at living up to the standards. That's kind-of what Christians do though... we fail to live up to the standards. It's our "thing", so to speak.

All we can do is ask for forgiveness and try to do better the next day.

I think I'm the first and only person in this thread to use the word "arrogant", and surely the only one to follow it up with the "folks from Titan" phrase, so I just want to assure you that if you are defending yourself against my comment that it was not about you whatsoever.

To be more specific, "given Cleome's lack of telepathy and heartsight, only an arrogant or culturally telepathic person (the latter simply not understanding the lack) would think that Cleome's personal policy of calling someone by the self-identified label does not make sense for her."

Your original comment, as you yourself noted, didn't claim that you would overrule someone's self-identification and pronounce them otherwise, and therefore I also don't quite get Cleome's statement as a response to yours, but I was simply addressing it as its own independent statement.

Toward that end, I should have snipped your part out of the quote. I suspect I meant to do so and got distracted.

All credit to you MLLASH. Though I don't share your faith or your sexuality, I respect both.

right back Shady

I think we all understand where you're coming from. I've had quite a few friends do that too, as I mentioned above. It confuses me sometimes, but then people are extremely confusing

Absolutely confusing.


And LASH is absolutely correct, we fail and we ask forgiveness and try harder.

Christianity was just an example because of the recent Norway incident, so it was fresh in my mind and heart.

Words are cheap, in other words, it's actions that count, imo.

This comment breaks my heart.

The good news of God's love and hope applies to everyone.

I can only thank God for Michael and his example to others.

Hmm. This quite frankly upsets me quite a bit. I am not a Christian. I do not feel the need for a Christian to give me their blessings nor feel sorry for me or others around them that do not share their belief. I do not expect others to share my beliefs, but I do expect others not to force their belief on me, preach at me or try to convert me.

Candle has a big heart and feels for everyone, you included Iam. I do too.

I hope she doesn't mind if I apologize for both of us if this bothers you, but there's not much you can do to change us just as there is not much we can do to change you.

You don't need to be changed. Neither does Candlelight. Neither do I. However, THIS does need to be changed: That is nothing more or less than Proselytizing. And it is false. As I already stated, I do NOT need preached at about some one else's Religion or their beliefs which I DO NOT SHARE. If this board allows that sort of thing then I am truly saddened.

You think it is false. She doesn't.

As I see it, the rule is tolerance.

She can be as religious as she wants, so long as she is tolerant of those who are not (or follow a different faith).

You can be as irreligious as you want, so long as you are tolerant of her faith (or that of others).

It is probably for the best that political and religious discussions be handled a bit more considerately than for anyone to say that they pity someone who doesn't believe as they do, but it hardly warrants your reaction.

There's a difference between giving offense and taking offense.

She obviously wasn't intending offense.

Yeah, exactly.

I don't have to agree with people of faith on every particular for us to get along. Hopefully. If discussions of faith are a two-way street --that is, if I can discuss being an Atheist just as believers can discuss their belief-- it's all good.

I think that what was important in what Shady was trying to say is, that as a Christian, her love is for everyone, too--even people she may not entirely understand or agree with. This is actually a very liberal stance, IMO. In other words, I don't think that she was proselytizing.

And for the record, I , too, believe that Christians and two-spirited people can be the best of friends--and I'm not in either camp myself. All I know is that I personally know Christians, atheists, and gay people that I like, and that I philosophically believe that morally decent members of any of these "tribes" enrich us all just by being who they are.

So, please, by all means, let's agree to disgree, but let us never imply that anybody should be banned from these boards for making statements that simply clarify who they are and what they stand for--especially when they stand for tolerance at worst and love at best.

Peace.

Who asked that she (or anyone else) be banned? I would like the statement:
Removed (the original and the quotes) because it is very presumptuous of her to promote her view of God over others'. I would point out that in fact, it DOES NOT apply to everyone and I am quite offended that she is pushing her belief at me (for although I don't feel she specifically targeted me, I do feel from the statement that she holds her belief as being more worthy than mine or she wouldn't have felt it nescessary to post the commentin the first place).

It seems that everyone here DOES express their beliefs, quite expressively.

I didn't make the statement that no gays are Christians.
I just stated my reaction.

I'm not going to apologize for loving my God and the people who come here.

Iam, while I understand that you do not wish people to force their beliefs on you, I do hope
you understand that it wasn't Candle's intent.

We all have instances where we mean one thing, and it is interpreted as something else. Such is the danger of communicating on cyberspace, where you can't see the other person's body language, or hear their tone of voice.

I understand why you would react that way. Religious and political beliefs are very sensitive topics. I admire that you have such strong beliefs as well. But so does Candle. And she has already stated that she was just posting her reaction.

You've made a very good point that we should be tolerant, and not proselytize on these boards. But I hope you understand that Candle was simply posting her reaction, and was not intending to challenge yours or anyone else's. Several other posters have also chimed in on the matter. I hope you're not too offended to accept Candle's explanation, and can continue to enjoy posting on these boards.