Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes LEGION OF SUPER-VILLAINS #1-Preview/Spoilers

Ol-Vir was turned to dust in the Validus-origin annual.

Wasn't Ol-Vir active in Lo3W?

Then again, so were Validus Ranzz, Emerald Sarya, reformed Mordru and blowed-up Tharok, so that doesn't necessarily mean anything...

I always thought Terrus was a non-powered take on a 30th century Scarecrow-type baddie, with the "Terrus" being synonymous with "Terror" not "Terra", but I can't for the life of me figure out if I read that somewhere or just came up with it on my own.

Since he's never been seen without his freaky scarecrow mask, it would be amusing to have 'Terrus' not always be the same person, but a small group of low-powered villains with different powers. One 'Terrus' might be seen with earth-manipulation powers (clearly limited, compared to other characters, since he had to blow up that asteroid to move the fragments, and couldn't just move the entire thing as someone like Cosmic Boy or Ultra Boy would have), another with fear-generating emotion control, another with a bunch of remote-controlled machines / traps / robots, etc.

That could be a fun way to give oneself a reputation as having all sorts of powers...

Oy vey, Ol-Vir. That figures. Get to like him and they just kill him off.

Although like Set mentioned, I seem to recall him in 3 Worlds, but there was so much temporal machinations going on, Lightning Lord knows if that was the real one or not....

So much for drawing the line at $2.99. This $4.99 issue was pretty light on content. I'm not a big fan of specials that are just designed to set up or preview upcoming stories. That said, the LSV lineup is a good one, Saturn Queen is being taken to a whole new level of crazy and evil, and Portela's art was solid.

Great art, and I enjoyed the new characters, but Saturn Queen was a bit too "Emerald Empress crazy" for my taste.

I guess I'm just missing her as Mrs. Tenzil Kem... no hope of that now. She's a grade-A nutjob spouting utter psychobabble.

I got this, surprise surprise.

I like Saturn Queen, why I picked this up. Prefer has a calm intellect type, passionate psycho not so much.

But overall, I enjoyed it.

Saturn Queen was always one of my favourite villains but I’m not so sure I like this uber cold killer so much. Maybe it’s because I always remember her as capable of being reformed (ie influenced by the rings of Saturn, a Kiss from Superman etc)
Still have to admit I liked this issue.

^Yeah, Far, that's about where I am with this too! I don't really want Saturn Queen to take the place of Levitz' badass (and CRAZYass) Sarya.

Still, it was a good read and nice setup for stuff to come, with some HOT art!

When did a kiss from Superman cure SQ?

I think a kiss from Superman cures all

In retrospect, Saturn Queen as devoted flunky of the blue flame thingie makes her seem less 'scary' and more 'pathetic.'

She might be 'leading' the team, but since she's clearly taking orders herself, in a wide-eyed worshipful way, she's less the Bond Villain, and more the Bond Villain's duped girlfriend.

Boring.

Not what I want to see in the leader of the LSV, a weak-willed simpering servant of someone else. Even when Sarya let Tharok call the shots, she was never a sycophant or a flunky.

I guess it's in-character with her Lo3W appearance, where she was such a squeeing Superboy-Prime fangirl that she was constantly staring at him like she was a groupie.

But I think the implication is that the Blue Phantom altered her in some way and made her subservient. Ironically, she's not a willing servant to it any more than the LSV are to her. I expect she'll be extremely POed come the end of this arc.

From your lips (keyboard) to Pauls ears (eyes)!

That would be kind of hot, the LSH fighting the blue whateveritis, and it having to bend all of it's energies to fighting them, and Saturn Queen breaking free and saying, "WTH? Nobody makes *me* a puppet!" and directing the remaining LSV to *also* attack the blue dude...

Not because she's pro-Legion, but because she's anti-being-used-like-a-sock.

Kinda reminiscent of that scene in Walt Simonson's Thor run, where Loki teams up with Odin and Thor against Surtr, not because he likes Odin or Thor, but because he's not gonna let *someone else* beat them and destroy Asgard. I loved that scene (and that Loki sure as heck didn't turn into a 'good guy' because of it!), and would love to see that sort of thing done well with the LSV here.

I like the artwork as well Lash. And I think you’ve put your finger on what’s been bugging me about this version of SQ, her characterisation is coming across as the same as Crazy Emerald Empress. I for one think they are and should be different.

Jim I could be making that up I’m posting without referring to the comics.

Just put it down to my old age.

If it didn't actually happen, it should have!

I am picturing Superman seated at a booth labeled "Super-Kissing Booth"... Lana and Lois stand to the side, snarking away at the lineup of beauties waiting for their Kryptonian kiss.

In that line-up are Saturn Queen, Saturn Woman, Lori Lemaris, lots of other LL-initial chicks, and Bizarro Supergirl!

And me! Don't forget me! I'd stand in line all day to kiss the Christopher Reeve version of Superman. Or Kirk Allyn for that matter.

I see my thread-killing abilities are as potent as ever. Super-sigh.

Finally had a chance to pick this up late last week and give it a thorough read.

I really wish every comic could have this page count. Then there'd be time for both character insight and exploding eye-candy. Everyone could be happy.

And, no, I don't expect villains to be sympathetic, at least not all the time. Especially not in a comic that showcases villains and leaves the heroes as supporting cast.

I was unaware until some other comments in this thread that SQ's current personality and power-boost is supposed to come entirely from the blue flame. I must have missed something in previous issues that made that clear. Time to re-read, I guess.

P.S.- I have now killed more threads than jimgallagher.

Go me.

I super-kiss life back into this thread!

So, Immortus. Is he General Immortus?

Darkseid being pulled from the 20th century made for an amazing big bad revival.

R'as al-Ghul was a terrible disappointment, by comparison.

If Immortus is the 1000 year later incarnation of General Immortus (who has been established to have been 3000 ish years old or more in the 20th century, so it's not terribly unlikely that he's managed to make it one more millenium), I think I prefer him not being fluffed up quite as much as al-Ghul (unsuccessfully, IMO) was. So it's probably better for him to be a rank and file member of the LSV, and not some shadowy mastermind (who wouldn't necessarily live up to his hype).

It's as if he's devoted so much of his energies and ambition to simply *surviving* that he's no longer really as world-shaking a threat as a less self-preservation-minded super-villain might be.

I'm alternately intrigued by a possible 20th century tie, and relieved that, if so, it's not a dominant one that detracts from the already rich and well-populated 31st century setting.

The Legion certainly doesn't *need* 20th century elements, but I'm not adverse to subtle ones, that might make sense (as General Immortus, already having possibly lasted 3000 years, without being terribly signficant, banging around 1000 years later, and still not being exactly a Tier-1 threat, does).

For some reason, my mind went to General Immortus as soon as the new Immortus was introduced. It seemed a strange name for a killer robot unless there was a deeper reason behind it.

Count me in as a huge NON-FAN of that development if it comes to pass though. I hate all 21st century elements in my Legion stories (except Superboy, Supergirl and the Brainiac line).

I'm one of those who think that the GDS is hugely over-rated though so take my opinion for what it's worth.