Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes ADVENTURE COMICS #1 (#504) SPOILERS!

That's what I thought! Hooray for unnecessary twists!

But it's just so stoopid!

Not overly impressed so far...

First because I've never been a fan of the new Superboy. Manapul's art was very good (wonder how much the colorist is responsible for that though) but the script was rather "meeh".

Then Legion... *sigh*

Now if it was a preview for a complete issue, why not, but this wasn't that great and I doubt it would interest any people in the Legion. Plus, as people have already said, there are "water issues" with Tellus and to be honest, i'm getting tired of mad Starman...

Of course, I'm also not a fan of Clayton henry, and this even that good compared to what he can do.

We'll wait to see how it goes with the next issue.

i just wish we got a Torando Twins Mini or somehow they retcon the torando twins being alive...i never saw the rational for killing them. and keep them dead no matter what happens.

1)death during the 5 year gap
2)death b4 the reboot legion's appearance (same earth though)
3) death post infinite crisis.

The Tornado Twins only appeared twice though didn't they? Originally?

The way this works out, there was always only one set of twins for the 2 universes?
I wonder if there's a set in Prime?

Anyway, I'm just glad the last of the 3 universes Element Lads is still alive!
He's one of my top 5 Legionnaires and he's had a hard row to hoe!
Poor guy.
sigh

Blok is talkin' so he at least has a jaw.
I doubt he'll look like Mordru since Mordru's 'look' is mostly hair.
But Darkseid is a chilling possibility!

The Blok sub-plot hint was probably (definitely?) my least favourite thing about this issue. There's just no resolution to that panel that I see myself liking. Blok was fine like he was dammit! And after we spent so long waiting for him to come back too!

Sooo...just out of curiosity - which Legion is this?

Blok is alive? Does this mean this Legion is pre-TMK?

Is Mon-El alive? Does he still have the Krypton connection?

Yera and Lydda are in the Legion, so....um...where does this fit into previous continuity? Or perhaps, it isn't supposed to?

It's kind of the first Legion, picking up somewhere in the early Baxter issues I think. There are inconsistencies, though.

Karate Kid was alive, but got killed a new way. There's been no mention of Supergirl. No mention of Imra and Garth's kids (or of their marriage, that I recall.) No sign of Magnetic Kid. Sensor Girl was in the same issue as Karate Kid. Timberwolf and Ayla seem to be together. I'm sure there's plenty of other stuff I'm missing.

Lydda and Rokk aren't in a relationship.

Salu's still at Yera's throat.

Validus is still in the Fatal Give.

There has been evidence of the marriage, since Imra's name in the caption boxes is "Imra Ardeen-Ranzz".

Well, I'm not the expert, but this seems to be the 5 year gap that was skipped over before, but with some major (or minor, depending how you see it) differences.

I don't think Garth is Protyized.

Mon El hasn't been in the eventually fatal fight with the Time Trapper, that then, lead to Lar destroying the Trapper and the consequences from that.

This is all pre-Zero Hour, as well, which hopefully won't happen this time.

The whole timeline is also pre-TMK ~ not 5YL.

Val was resurrected somehow (I've been told he says that in the LS), and was killed AGAIN later in the Lightning Saga.

I don't think this is early Baxter, though, I think it's AFTER Baxter and the Magic Wars, Pol is dead, I think.

Maybe it's the first year, or even the first few months, after the Baxter series ended.
I don't have the stories anymore, but I think I'm pretty close.

But, then again, if it IS early Baxter, Sorcerer's World wouldn't have been locked down yet and Pol would be alive.

But Shady hasn't changed her outfit at all, which doesn't make sense, she should have been out of that thing long ago.
It also might mean that she could still die on the Science Asteroid, I guess.


I'm sure someone will correct me if I have the 'Baxter' era incorrectly in my mind, though.

Sorcerer's World was locked down how? I don't have many of those issues. Mysa went back there at the end of L3W, didn't she?

Sorcerer's World was locked down by some entity called the Arch-Mage, who was the source of Zerox's magic power and had been imprisoned in the planet long ago. There was actually a giant padlock and chain around the planet, IIRC. To break the lock, a life had to be sacrificed - and Pol flew off, Ferro Lad style, to accomplish the task.

Post Magic War, with a few inconsistencies, makes sense to me as the Lo3W setting. The U.P. would be in a bit of shambles, still recovering from the loss of technology that the Magic Wars caused. In economic bad times, there's usually a search for scapegoats, and Earthgov might have focussed on aliens - and maybe blame the Legion for the whole mess as well. Colu would have been particularly hard hit by the Magic Wars, which would explain the particularly nutty nuttiness we saw in the previous Johns' Legion storyline.

This is the sort of original Legion picking up from after Crisis on Infinite Earths but after about a two-three years gap. The 5YG/5YL and the post Crisis (Pocket Universe) eras are separate timelines that no longer exist so pretty much nothing that happened during those periods has come to pass. Blok, Dirk and Mon-El are all alive.

Lydda and Yera plus Myg joined during the two-three years that remain unrecorded and during that period Val was revived somehow.

Mon-El is part of the Legion and is an old friend of Superboy/man. Superboy (Kal-El) himself was a Legionnaire even though he never wore the costume as Superboy in his own time.

Garth does not have the conciousness of Proty.

There has been no mention of the Ranzz kids or Pol Krinn. Every other member at the time of Crisis on Infinite Earths is a member though some are MIA.

I'm not sure that's the case. I've heard different statements on this. I think it's that he did have a career including in the suit somewhat, but it was very secretive. That means he didn't prance around in public in the suit for sure, but I don't think it means absolutely that he never wore the costume in his own time.

Internet talk or from a book?

Have any of the books discussed exactly when and why the suit was made?

and for SAL

Do we know for sure that Ranzz doesn't have the proty consciousness? Was that published?

No.
He's just not acting the same way he did before, when Proty was consiously there.

And for Superboy, it should all be spelled out in the Secret Origins, right?

I see. Sooo....we can just say the writers and editors are making it up as they go along, and don't have to worry about continuity too much? Hmph.

^^^ Well to be fair, "making it up as they go along" is what writers do.

But there is a 6-issue mini by Sir Geoff Johns starting next month (I believe) called Superman - Secret Origin (yes, another one) that will probably explain away all these unanswered questions once and for all.

I was thinking that Blok might get all crystaline, like his sister, Strata (assuming that she is still his sister). It was implied at some point that only maturing female Dryadians[sic?] go through this, but who knows what Mordru's magicks have done. Grandin Gender Reversal Disease, anyone?

It was Johns who said that Garth isn't Proty (since Garth as Proty didn't happen, it's difficult to include in a story)

Clark first wore the costume in Action Comics 863 in flashback at the end of the Superman/Legion arc.

I'm also not at all sure that retroboot continuity has Star Boy rejoining the Legion after the Kenz Nuhor thing. I suspect he didn't, or possibly he did but not for a long time. Which is not to say that he didn't maintain close ties to the Legion; obviously he did.

The interesting thing to me is not that Garth isn't Proty; it's that the way Johns is portraying Garth is more consistent with hothead Garth of the SW6 batch, of the reboot, of the threeboot, and even a little bit of the animated series... but not like, say, Levitz-era Garth. This implies to me that Levitz-era Garth was Proty, and Johns is reinforcing that interpretation by portraying "his" Garth differently. Which is an interesting thing to do considering that the only effect of it is to validate a comic book (the 5YL annual with the Garth/Proty story in it) that isn't in active continuity anymore.

^^^ What makes you think Thom didn't rejoin the Legion Matthew E? That's certainly not something I've picked up from the issues we've read so far.

I never concluded Thom never re-joined the Legion from what they showed...a segment of fans did but it never stated he didn't re-join the Legion until the LS. I remember discussing this at the time...there is nothing to indicate he didn't rejoin the Legion.

Just like him being schizophrenic doesn't really contradict anything previously known of Thom.

Schizophrenia is not much of a problem in Thom's time...it's a problem in our time. It's so little of a problem in Thom's time that they didn't even consider it an issue when they sent him back in time. They might not have even known he had schizophrenia.

It's kind of like leprosy is virtually unheard of now....

What I do think they've changed though is that Thom no longer had Superman type powers at one point of his career. I'm not certain that's the case but they haven't touched on that at all when recapping this Thom's history...then again, they might not have been familiar with that part of his history at the time and simply goofed.


He also seems to be able to use his powers to life heavy objects now(like a helicopter or a bowling ball turned to inertron).