Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes The Complete Continuity Match-Up Checklist: from Baxter to Levitz Relaunch

With Paul Levitz confirming the Johns Legion stuff happens after his run finished , that essentially confirms the cut-off point from where Johns Legion work picks-up in continuity is the Baxter era #63. Whether the Johnsboot stuff is the original Legion, a retroboot, an alternate timeline, a reboot or whatever is all really besides the point and is 100% up to fan interpretation. Levitz and DC obviously assume this Legion is the very same Legion and continuity as the pre-TMK era Legion. Fans can presume it to be whatever they want.

Levitz also says some things happened between #63 of the Baxter series and the Legion’s appearances in the Lightning Saga, Action Comics and Legion of 3 Worlds.

So, we then are left with wondering what parts of the old continuity have been removed or tweaked. This is because of obvious continuity-driven changes that were made specifically by Crisis or in reaction to Crisis (Death of Superboy and Conspiracy). Most of these we’d think would occur in the Baxter series but I’m sure there are more than enough spread throughout Legion continuity.

As Legion World—the premiere online place for Legion fandom—it is our duty to address every minor bit of continuity possible and iron it all out. No one else could accomplish this besides us.

For example:

Potentially Removed from Continuity
Death of Superboy
Conspiracy
Death of Mon-El / Shady remove finger / marriage of Shady & Mon-El
Ayla / Salu romance – I hope not but thus far we haven’t learned anything either way.

Happened sometime after Levitz final issue before Lightning Saga
Resurrection of Karate Kid – I wonder if that will ever be explained
Myg as Karate Kid II
Quislet Returns – mentioned in interview
Tyroc Returns – mentioned in interview
Dragonmage of this continuity appears – he is later mentioned as murdered by Mordru in Legion of 3 Worlds but we know it cannot be the reboot Dragonmage or the TMK Dragonmage no matter what Geoff was thinking

Up in the air
Supergirl – for all we all we know the Kara from the Silver Age and beyond we’ve all always read about is in fact this current Supergirl. You may not like that explanation, but that could be what DC has planned. Again, you can say this is another continuity if it makes you feel better, but it might mean this version of the Legion still has all those old Supergirl stories happen to them (albeit with this Supergirl). They just haven’t happened to her yet. But they may have happened to Brainy and the rest of the Legion. We can’t really presume either way or the other until we get any type of evidence.

Had always been true but revealed only recently
Starman / Starboy’s medical condition
Wildfire / Red Tornado weird connection thingy – that made little sense so hopefully is never mentioned again

5YL / TMK
We must assume none of the 5YL series happened, although I wouldn’t be surprised if elements of it are pulled in eventually. For example, Myg joined sometime after Baxter #63 just like in the five year gap to TMK. There was also a Dragonmage. So don’t be surprised if Kono or someone is revealed to exist as well.

What else am I missing?

Levitz said that XS exists in this new/old world, although he's not sure how to work her in yet.

Right - we learned that she was originally from this Earth/world but moved to another earlier in her life. She is now back as of Legion of 3 Worlds as a Legionnaire.

TMK revealed in the 5YL series that the Tornado Twins really did have super speed powers but both were executed by the Dominators. since 5YL never happened, Dawn and Don Allen are still alive, powered or not. Dawn is Xs's mother. Don is Impulse's father.

Regarding Magic Wars / Death of Magnetic Kid:

Hm, that's a confusing one. Any potenetial evidence that Magic Wars didn't happen would be that Xerox is still standing. Was this shown in Legion of 3 Worlds? And if it is truly still standing, there could be an explanation for how it was 'reborn' or something.

Every indication thus far is that Pol is in fact dead and Magic Wars happened, unless we're told otherwise.

(Unless I'm missing something?)

Sorry, Cobie: I deleted my post after I re-read your topic starter. I had read (probably in the other thread) that Levitz was picking up from Baxter # 60, which would invalidate the Magic Wars.

No prob; I quickly edited on the fly! Its a topic that would have come up sooner or later anyway I'm sure.

How about the classic Fatal Five being back?

That requires:

a) Tharok's return
b) Either Sarya not being dead or it being a new Emerald Empress
c) Validus being restored


Also, there's a bunch of stuff that calls into question details of Star Boy's tenure (if/when exactly rejoined; when he got the starfield outfit; etc.) I'm kind of guessing all of this will be ignored, however.

Dear Mr. Levitz,

I don't envy you.

Good Luck/Best Wishes. Sincerely,

cleome

Fortunately, Geoff Johns already sorted out all of the continuity stuff in Legion of 3 Worlds!

Er... didn't he?

It's funny that Thom's membership feels so much more important in the bigger picture to straiten out but most likely will not be addressed. On the oposite side, the Fatal Five's return is much lesser picture but is glaring enough where it will have to be addressed eventually.

That's definitely a good one. It's somewhat of an easy fix for Tharok and the Empress but not so much Validus.

Well, Emerald Empress is easy if you're willing to accept that it's not Sarya. If it's supposed to be her... then that's a tough one.

There's also Luornu's power change to be explained. If there's no Conspiracy, there's no death of the second body, but there's the question of where the other bodies came from.

Ooohh I'd love it if the Emerald Empress is Cera! And we get a flashback to her fat, lonely, Sun Boy-crushing childhood! I loved Cera!

Great thread by the way CK! I think it would be very helpful if we were to make a Master List of all the changes/inconsistencies/questions that exist with the current Legion and then cross them off as they get solved.

Maybe you could edit your first post to track those questions/answers? Or create it in a later post?

I wonder if we'll ever see that crazy girl who was stalking Inferno again?

There's also the Tornado Twins history to sort out. Were they killed by the Dominators? If so, under what circumstances? If they are the same age as the Legionnaires, then how is Jenni like twenty years old?

We saw the Fatal Five as part of Prime's LoSV (including Validus and an Emerald Empress who definitely appeared to be Sarya) during the Lo3W, didn't we?

I seem to remember them in background shots, anyway.

The existence of that Tribulus thing in the first issue of L.E.G.I.O.N. suggests that Validus is going to be retconned into one of a race of similar beings, instead of a Darkseid-warped Garridan Ranzz.

Assuming anyone cares to try and massage continuity;

1) Garridan Ranzz was turned into *a* Validus, but isn't the current Validus, which is another member of that race, shanghaied to serve as his replacement.

2) Sarya did die, but the Eye reformed her (while not normally capable of raising the dead, it had spent many years bonding to her as host, and it's power was woven all through her). Nobody escapes the Eye. Knowing now that the Eye won't even let her die, she's even more capricious and terrible than ever, taking out her frustration on the universe.

This got me to thinking . . . how old would XS be in relation to the other Legionnaires?

Levitz suggested that he was not going to adhere to a strict timeline, as he did in the past, although he is continuing basically from where he left off. This means that most of the Legionnaires are in their late 20s/early 30s.

Going by the first Mayfair Legion Sourcebook (and yes, I know I said sourcebooks should not be essential to understanding a story in another thread), the Magic Wars happened at about Year 16 of the LSH's existence; they encountered the Tornado Twins in Year 7. Assuming that Dawn Allen wasn't a teenaged mother, this means that XS would have been born around Year 9 or later.

I'm not sure how much time will have passed between the Magic Wars and Levitz's relaunch (I haven't been following the Johnsboot, etc., at all), but if a year or two has passed, that makes XS only about nine years old!

(Unless, of course, she suffers from Cub Nah Growth Syndrome. )

In the reboot, XS's and Impulse's mom and dad were shown to be in the universe with them.
They were older versions.

Brainy said in Lo3Ws that all of the time travel to that point had gone to Prime but that doesn't make sense since the Twins went to the reboot.

I don't have a problem with the Twins ending up in the reboot to hide, growing older and then having children who grew to XS and Impulse.
The kids have now left the reboot (using different routes) and are now in this timeline.

I also HATE the idea of Sarya being reformed by the Eye.
That gives the Eye a power that it's never displayed and shouldn't have, imo.
I think it should be Cera, although a slightly different one since the SW6ers don't exist.

I think it's very confusing to try to bring the current Kara into the Legion.
She's been in the Prime Legion.
She'd have to be in this Legion's past to make any sense for Querl and that seems incredibly complicated.

I think that Levitz would be smarter to go with Laurel Gand, even with a Superboy in the Legion's past.
Otherwise, maybe he should go with the original Kara and Crisis, honoring that sacrifice.

That's my two cents and confusion.

I think this is covered in the same way as the first Legion of Three Worlds team up having very young Earth 0 Legionnaires but virtually the same age Prime and 247 - movement between the Earths is not linear time whise.

Oh and the Tornado twins are DEAD - Brainy said this during the recap of Jenni's history and Jenni didn't question it.

Other thoughts:
History/status of Infectious Lass - I would assume Drura, Myg, Lydda and Yera joined together but then Drura screwed something up big time.

Lydda and Rokk broke up (presumably when Rokk became leader)

New headquarters that looks like the original(which had to be built before the rise of the JLE)

I know this isn't Geoff Johns' title any longer but his take was that this Legion continued from just after CoIE so no Magic Wars etc. In that timeline the original Fatal Five being intact makes sense and it gets rid of the death of Superboy/conspiracy etc. There would need to be a when did Rond reveal his Green Lantern membership answer. I think {aul Levitz needs to make a definitive statement on whether this run carries on from #18, #60 or #63 of V3

To me the big problem with continuing from the end of the Baxter run is how to explain the whole pocket universe thing. It was created specifically to fit legion history in with the Byrne revisioning of Superman. Now that Clark Kent is back to being a member in his teens, the whole pocket universe Superboy thing is a lie. Will that entire story arc be revealed to be yet another con by the Time Trapper? If so, when did the legion finally discover that "their" Superboy was still alive?

For that matter, will we ever find out just who Brainy was mourning in (Baxter Series) #15? It can't be the current Kara. She's still alive too.

Luckily, coming up with creative solutions to problems like these has always been one of Paul's strong points, so I'm looking forward to seeing just how he handles them.

Btw, XS's age has already been explained (in the roboot). Both she and Bart aged at an accelerated pace, for some psuedo-scientific reason that I never bothered to try to understand (sometimes it's easier just to exercise the old suspension of disbelief).

From his interview being talked about here :

"I think I would characterize it by saying that we're picking up the story after some gap after my last issue and what we saw in Geoff's work in Legion of Three Worlds and "Superman And The Legion of Super-Heroes."

So there you have it from Paul's mouth.

Is Gates also in this Legion? I can't quite remember what happened at the end of L3W.

Yes. Yes, he is.

Gates and Quislet should have some interesting conversations.