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First: Thanks! No harm no foul as long as we now both understand where the other one was coming from.
Second: I also kind of doubt that they are actually dead, even with the 'dna' evidence. However I do believe we were ment to think they are dead and that kind of writing for the shock value of it is only slightly better than actually killing them off.
I agree 100%. cheers to understanding. And thanks again, too. Your response is much appreciated.

I like your points on heroes being heroes. For them to die pointlessly makes them victims, and that's not what we buy comics for.

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I don't mind the occasional shocking twist, or heroic death, but senseless deaths (or the 'shocking' destruction of entire worlds) just make the heroes look like chumps.

Is it impossible to craft a storyarc where the heroes, at the end, can call it an unvarnished 'win,' and where they haven't lost a teammate, watched a bunch of bystanders die, had an entire planet blown up, or even had their entire universe fade from existence?

Does every victory have to be pyrrhic?
Extremely well-said, Set! I'm reminded of the hero's journey from literature class.

It's not what a hero is capable of doing, but whether the hero actually chooses to do it.

That's why I'm more a DC fan than a Marvel fan - DC is brighter and shinier, or at least it was. Hopefully they'll continue to be. That's what sets them apart.

Hopefully, too, Gates and Yera will be revealed to have faked their deaths instead of just being returning via a twist in time or something like that. I'd love to see these two show some ingenuity.

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I'm reminded of the hero's journey from literature class.

It's not what a hero is capable of doing, but whether the hero actually chooses to do it.
That's definitely one of the reasons why I like some of the 'lower-power' Legionnaires, like Karate Kid, Triplicate Girl, Timber Wolf, Shadow Lass, Phantom Girl, etc. to the 'powerhouses' like Wildfire and Superboy.

It feels 'more impressive' or 'more heroic' to me when a character is legitimately out of their depth, and finds a clever way around a problem, or thinks outside the box, and *doesn't* necessarily have a super-power that can easily handle any situation.

And it super-impresses me when you've got a situation like in the Judas Contract, where Slade & Terra take out all of the Teen Titans, but for Dick Grayson, who, with no powers at all, totally surprises Deathstroke and gets away.

Ultra Boy is an interesting powerhouse, in that he's defined by what he *can't* do, and by how that requires him to think fast in combat, and make creative use of his limited one-at-a-time abilities. I like that sort of thing. It's the complete opposite of the really old days, when Superman would be confronted with something, and suddenly pull a new power out of his arse, like super-hypnotism or super-ventriloquism.

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That's why I'm more a DC fan than a Marvel fan - DC is brighter and shinier, or at least it was. Hopefully they'll continue to be. That's what sets them apart.
I like both the 'can't win / gets no respect' aspect of Spider-man and the 'feet of clay' aspect of heroes like Thor (kicked out of Asgard for being an arrogant jerk) and Iron Man (recovering addict who thinks he knows better than everyone else) *and* the more positive aspects of some DC titles.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen the more positive aspects for a long time. Too much killing teen heroes and blowing up planets and women stuffed in refrigerators, over the last decade or so, and, while I also like mature storylines, I find these sorts of things less 'mature' and more 'sensationalistic' and immature.

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Hopefully, too, Gates and Yera will be revealed to have faked their deaths instead of just being returning via a twist in time or something like that. I'd love to see these two show some ingenuity.
Yera, damaged as she was, could well become a threat, and have to be 'snapped out of it' or 'talked down.' Durlans, from what we've seen, don't have discrete brain tissue, but have their organs permeating their entire bodies (the picture of her cut in half kind of suggested that as well). If that's the case, she's just had half of her distributed network 'brain' teleported away from the rest of her, and one half or the other half could well suffer massive separation trauma and 'die,' or could live on as a quasi-sentient animalistic shapechanging predator, with only memories of pain and loss and fear driving it.

If half of her remembers enough or recovers enough to be able to function, she might have to hunt down and re-absorb the other half (and finally 'pulling herself together' mentally and emotionally), rather than allow it to run around eating stuff (and, possibly, people!) in an attempt to regain it's own missing mass. (And, being alien, it's possible that most earth life-forms aren't terribly nutritious for it. It might have to eat certain rare elements, or only specific parts of living creatures, like livers or pituitary glands, or something!).

And, later, John Carpenter will make a movie about her, at some Antarctic outpost... smile

Gates has probably been captured by some anti-alien group, who wants to interrogate him to prove their paranoid theories that he's an advance scout of an invasion force, or dissect him, or whatever. Then again, that might be too obviously similar to what happened to him in his home universe, where he was captured and used to power stardrives or whatever. Fabian probably has something even cleverer up his sleeve...


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One nice thing about the troubles that Marvel heroes get into is seeing how they overcome them. Spider-man, Thor, they both learned and grew from their mistakes.

That's one thing I hate about constant reboots. Good character development gets thrown out the window. Like how they forgot about Wally West... there's one hero who grew into his role, and now... poof! Barry's great, but come on. Wally deserves his place too. He earned it.

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5. Was Yera's reference to an "acting gig at the Time Institute" meant to imply a temporary assignment, or a position in her old vocation? If the latter, for what purpose would the Time Institute need an actress?
Theory - When time travelling, it's best to dress up like / act like the natives of the new time period.

Hiring a professional actress with very specific skills and experience in long-term impersonation to tutor time-travelling researchers in how to convincingly act like residents of post-revolutionary France or Han dynasty China or courtiers in the court of Ptolemy, seems like a sensible idea.
Yes. And that would be a great one-shot story, at some point.

Just one more reason why I'll hit the ceiling if Yera really IS dead, and not just MIA.


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