Legion World Forums LEGION COMPANION The Anywhere Machine Heroes-- New Season (Spoilers Inside)

I think I've pretty much lost interest in this show, even though I'm still watching it. It's just way too "comic-booky" in the worst possible sense.

I still find it completely incredulous that were supposed to believe that the world at large doesn't know about the existence of "specials" when like every third person seems to be one.

So whatever negative comments there be aside? I for one am a huge fan of HEROES and will continue to be. I'm glad that it's back and it more than makes up for season 2.

On season 3 notes I wish Peter 2.5 was still alive xD I liked him. I also liked "Star boy" Stephen Canfield, He was a cool compelling character. I'm grooving on it so very much but I dun wanan go on and on right now as I knwo i'd prolyl never show up. Suffice to say, because I love it so I've bannered it as well xD.

Oh and I wish that they'd finally kill the cheerleader. Maya as well.

another awesome episode, i guess we now know where Sylar kinda got his ability from but not as eliquent as "Pappa" Patrelli's huh? too bad for Adam though. and i knew it!! Hiro had to do some time skipping to make sure Ando didn't die. *ok i think Ando is cool you gotta love the sidekick*
but how funny was it that Hiro was getting beaned twice i think by the African pre-cog. and the speedster warned him that getting the drop on him wasn't gonna be easy.
and i have to give props to Mrs.Bennet, for going along with Claire to rescue her birth mother from the creepy perv "the Puppet master" i liked how the whole scenario played out, and the "Puppet master" not knowing about Claire's ability after Mrs. Bennet shot her broke his hold on her. and she got the drop on him.
and the Sylar Peter fight was really great to actually see them use thier powers in an actually battle, even though it was short lived. i still don't get how Peter ws able to take Sylar down so quickly, even though Sylar claims he's reformed he still shouldn't have gone down with such little ease little brother or not i expected more of a fight from him.
and it looks like "Pappa" Patrelli's "League" of Villans is forming quite nicely. i have to say this season is starting out strong compared to last season due to the strike. i hope it continues to gain momentum and finishes strong.

If only they had brought Mr Muggles with them to face the Puppet Master, Claire never would have gotten shot!

So, mister 'I can sense your fear and it makes me stronger' can't tell if Hiro or Ando are afraid <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">(given that Ando even admits to having been afraid while pretending to be dead)?</span></span> That's an odd, and oh-so-terribly-convenient, gap for his otherwise functioning power to have...

After a season of 'Uh, Peter gets amnesia and is halfway across the world!' followed by some 'Uh, Peter-with-a-scar from the Mirror Universe incapacitates him for a couple episodes!' now we have yet another Plot Ex Machina preventing Peter from doing anything.

These writers *really* have no idea how to write stories around Peter's powers, do they? They keep having to contrive new ways to remove him from the action, and the hand-waving is getting pretty desperate, IMO.

At least we can see how he'd get a scar, at this point. I was theorizing that Hiro's sword was special, having been made by another 'hero' able to create items with power (vaguely like Isaac and the new dude can make paintings of the future, an intersection between craft and power), and that Hiro's sword would turn out to be the only thing that could kill (or scar) Adam, Claire, Sylar, Peter, etc.

So much for that idea!

I can't wait until Ice Maiden learns how to projectile freeze something. Ice ramps! Yippee!!

Dude, Sketch..calm down man. I'ts not like this is the "Peter Petrelli show." Pete being an amnesiac last season was kinda cool. I happened to like Peter 2.5 being there and displacing Regular Peter in Jesse's body. Yes it was a bit funky, but it was nicely done and I honestly wish it had gone on for a little bit more but hey it didn't oh wells.

Daddy Petrelli's taking pete's powers, and there for every power that pete has taken apparently as well xD. It's not up to peter to be the one to save the world you know, it works out kind of as a nice touch that pete's powers were taken from him by his daddy. In fact it leads to nice twists to see just how they work out other things on the show.

Last night's episode was not picture perfect, but here are things I liked:

How cool was that seeing Fire and Ice bookending Flying Man?

Electra Lass joining forces with Cheerleader Girl, also cool.

Bye Bye Maya!

I thought the elimination of characters would continue when we were misled to believing Speed Thief and Mess-with-your-Mind Man were dead. At least Mess-with-your-Mind Man Sr. is dead.

Things I didn't like:

MohinderFly going back to normal was so close. Lose the Bug powers already!

The flip flopping of Sylar. Look, I'm bad. No, I'm good. Bad -good -bad -aah! I have a splitting head!

Why does Daddy Petrelli need any henchmen? If he can absorb anybody's powers, he can just do everything on his agenda himself. He really didn't need Parkman's dad. He could've just taken his powers.

Hiro & Ando continue to disappoint. Redundant Painter Prophet is also a bore.

I heard Heroes wasn't on next week. True?

I'm still enjoying this show a good bit despite all the nay-sayers in the press. Only thing really bugging me right now is that Papa Petrelli seems neither compelling nor menacing. I should hate him or love-to-hate him, but all I'm feeling is "meh" so far regarding him. He just isn't grabbing me, y'know? Seems the actor's portayal is just kinda wooden. At this point, despite appearances, I'd still bet on Mama!

I didn't like Adam being killed off last week either. His reappearance was such a shot in the arm for that episode. The humorous approach worked so well for that actor! Damn, why'd they kill him?!?!?

Otherwise, I'm still onboard for the duration.

I don't like Powerless Peter. I don't think that's going to last. I expect some variation on:
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Peter getting injected with whatever it was he was going to be injected with, him gaining back his powers to mimic other powers, him gaining the power to steal other people's powers from Papa Petrelli and then stealing Papa's powers.</span></span> Of course that might not happen. Who knows?

Oh yeah, forgot to mention the MAIN thing that's bothering me, currently...where the f***'s Mr. Muggles been the last couple episodes?!?! I mean, they've had PLENTY of scenes in the Bennett household, but I haven't seen the show's biggest star anywhere!

Is he in a contract dispute?

I can't believe that Peter had a shirt on for almost the entire episode! This show sucks!

The latest ep seemed to have a lot of fun trying to interweave old stuff into new stuff. Not all of it really makes sense timing-wise, but it was still fun to see them try to shuffle in the old footage in with the "new" stuff. (especially Peter with his wig)

It was fun to see the reason for the train accident and Nathan's car crash, but Noah and Elle's role in Sylar's development seemed shoe-horned in. I'm also a little disappointed we didn't see George Takei here.

And weren't we told in season 1 that Papa Patrelli died from suicide? (I'm only going by memory here) The whole "heart attack" thing doesn't seem to fit then.

I still like the show. This season isn't as "hot" as last season was but that's no reason to drop out or anything (yet).

I like the speedster girl and PsyCop is somehow more interesting with her in the mix. Elle is kind of interesting when she's not on the low side of her manic-depressive cycle but I don't care if I never see Maya again. The brother was a lot more interesting and we never really go to know him at all. I have a hard time believing Sylar though, good bad or making waffles, I just don't think the actor's up to the role he's taken on.

The Patrellis have some serious family dysfunctions. Seriously. They either need to find some super-councilor or get together for a holiday smackdown-winner-take-all slug fest or something. I really don't like either parent.

..and yes, it was a mistake to have a flashback to one year earlier without a Takei appearence. I love it that he is/was a character in this show.

Oddly, on Mondays I watch The Sarah Conner Chronicles before Heroes (a twofer!) and this is the very first time I thought the Terminator on TV was better than Heroes. It had some weirdly timed flashback segments too.

Caveat; I still like this show, but I did not see the need for this episode, as I felt it dumbed down some of the strongest characters and conflicts on the show.


Seems like a bunch of whitewashing happened this episode. Sylar's retcon continues with yet another way in which his being a sadistic gleeful murderer in season one who taunted the child of the people he was killing was not his fault. Poor misunderstood dear. He had mommy issues. And it's a 'hunger he can't control. *And* it's all that evil Noah Bennet's fault for pushing him down the slippery slope!

I imagine there'll be some sort of yellow fear entity next, or cross-universe Evil Twin Sylar that did all of the really nasty stuff...

Elle, who really didn't need any whitewashing, was prettied up as well. Elle's my favorite character on the show, but having the deeply disturbed young woman who described being electrocuted to Peter as something that he'd come to look forward to, like foreplay, going on and on about 'creating a monster' and 'he had a soul!' felt out of character and unnecessary to me.

And Angela Petrelli, whom we saw in season one coldly planning to kill Peter (and in this season handing some random postcognitive to Sylar to *kill*), is now a loyal mother who had to be mind controlled into accepting the murder of Nathan. Yeah, nice try. I'm a grown-up, I didn't need all of these characters absolved of all their sins and 'redeemed' to *like watching them.*

Sylar was more fun when he was a screwed up guy, and not a victim of some 'hunger.' Elle was pretty fun as a screwed up girl. Angela Petrelli was downright cold, in every season we've seen her, and deliciously driven. For her to have been mind controlled briefly in season one doesn't explain why she was still trying to kill Peter (and feeding people to Sylar) *long* after her husband was 'dead.'

These were, IMO, totally unnecessary retcons that served only to make the characters two-dimensional. All of the complexity of them doing things that we sometimes disagree with has been stripped away by having those actions no longer be their fault.

And Noah Bennett got majorly screwed here. He's sitting with a rapt expression watching Sylar rip some guys brain open *after having him brought to him for that purpose,* in direct contradiction to the Sylar-hating dude he's been throughout the entire show.

Even the former boss he shot to death in the first season for being such a 'Company Man' that he'd never back off on going after Claire, turned out to have let Meredith go free, proving that, deep down, he was even more willing to compromise and make a moral choice than Noah was, since Noah didn't turn on the Company until his daughter came into her sights!

Man, if Claire ever finds out that her dad not only saved Sylar from attempting to kill himself, but also turned him back into a brain-sucking murderer after he tried to stop himself, she's gonna freak... Still, after everything else he's done (constantly having his family mind-wiped, for instance, which she knows because the Haitain flat-out told her), she's pretty much a fool for not running far, far away anyway.

This episode felt like a big, big step backwards (even for a year-old flashback).

Interesting to threaten Hiro with the loss of his powers (although we see none of the white transfer stuff, which leaves room for Ando to stop it with a shovel-to-the-head or something).

Given that Peter and Hiro have (or had) the powers most problematic to storytelling, removing those and replacing them with new ones (either through an injection, or a new eclipse awakening new ones) could serve to keep the characters usable and fresh, without having every story be dependent on Hiro and Peter failing to use their powers to stop it.

Wow! I don't watch this show anymore and from reading the stuff you wrote Set, I'm glad I don't.

Noah bringing victims for Sylar to eat? The fan-wankery heroification of Sylar? Elle and Angela becoming good-hearted but misguided? What total crap. It's like the writers have no idea what they're doing on this show anymore.

I think that its incredible first season success was the worst thing that happened to Heroes. It forced Kring and the writers to scrap all the plans they had for the show and its characters and start gearing things toward the online fan community. Never a good idea. Fans love Sylar? Let's re-use him as a villain in season 2 and then make him a hero in season 3. Doesn't matter if it doesn't serve the story as long as we. keep. him. around. Eden was an early unpoular character. Kill her off. Hayden and Milo become break-out stars. Let's make them the focus of every story. And so on. It's amazing to think that we were originally supposed to get a whole new cast of characters every season telling different stories about people with super-powers. Instead it's the same people acting out the same boring save-the-world plot over and over.

How this show has fallen.

Very true. It became reactive. It also gets jarring when things that were established as 'true' earlier have to be bent into a new configuration to adapt to the new direction the show is taking.

I want fan-interaction, 'cause that's cool, but putting the inmates in charge of the asylum is just a recipe for whackiness.

Man, I loved Eden. And now I love Elle. (But Phoebe the speedster-thief or whomever is the new Maya, to me. She can't get gone fast enough...)

Am I the only one who thinks the show has improved greatly with the simple removal of Micah? (man, that kid annoyed me) I don't even mind the totally contrived "third sister" scenario that kept Ali Larter around - it was worth it just to see Nathan's girlfriends meet (Fire & Ice - cute)

He didn't bug me too much, but his too-calm demeanor kind of put me off. While Hiro is acting like an eight year old, Micah is acting like some wise old zen master half of the time, which felt a little off.

Yeah, the fire and ice bit was neat, and I'll take any contrivance they want to use to see more of Ali. She's not only hot, but also one of the better actors on the show. I never get the feeling that she's just relying on facial tics or 48 lbs of makeup and spray-on tan, unlike a certain very popular celebrity couple...

I was only so-so on Micah, but I really liked his cousin from last season.

Over on the M&M boards they called her 'Taskmistress' since she was a female version of the Taskmaster.

Everyone seemed to have code-names, at one point. Parkman was 'Saturn Cop' and Nathan was 'Frying Man' (because that's what Hiro kept calling him).

the lamest scene i have ever seen in this show was when Elle showed her excitement over sylar's apparant mastering of her power
give me a break

Lab, I actually enjoyed this episode a lot, including the Sylar/Elle scenes. It was kind of cool to see two recovering sociopaths working their issues out together. Kristin Bell and Zachary Quinto really sold it for me. Sylar was a cool villain, but I'm definitely enjoying his supposed redemption more than I thought I would.

The Hiro scenes were fun as well. It was nice that the writers found a way (though, admittedly contrived) to let us rediscover the wonder and fun of Hiro's powers. And I loved, loved, LOVED Ando demonstrating to Hiro how Hiro concentrates to make his powers work. Now, that's what I like to see out of those two!

I liked the scenes of Parkman inside Mama Petrelli's head. They were very well done, and it was nice to see that Evil Papa still has a soft spot for our Angela.

So I feel there's plenty of hope left for this show, and I look forward to it getting a chance to prove me right.

i dont have a problem with the episode, it was a great episode, that scene was weak though.

wow, no hits since november?

anyone catch tonight's?

so many loopholes. time travel is making my head hurt.