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Nah, Salu's been pretty feisty at times, and I could see her throwing a fit. And I could see it being settled with a private 'chat' between Vi and Yera that may or may not involve; 1) a bare-knuckled brawl (no girlyslaps or hairpulling for these femmes!), 2) taking their aggressions out on some Earth First idiots who interrupt their 'conversation,', and 3) grudging acceptance.

For that matter, I'm not sure if Yera is an official member or just a concerned non-Earther with connections to the team. Colossal Boy (probably) wouldn't be having a hissy about 'his wife' going off on a mission if she was an actual Legionnaire, any more than Bouncing Boy would get his panties in a wad if Luornu went on a mission. It's kinda part of the job. If Gim's having a tantrum, it's because going on dangerous Legion missions *isn't* part of Yera's 'job' as a civilian actress / model.

Remember how mad Vi was at Duplicate Boy for not saying anything to anyone that he suspected that she "wasn't the Vi he knew." Yera was clearly unaware that Shrinking Violet was being tortured. However, she was pretty stupid not to realize that something terrible was happening. Why else would she have been asked to pose secretly as Vi?

In bringing the issue up, I'm pointing out how the current series is harder for me to accept as a true blue TMK fan. The conversation between Yera and Vi, and grudging acceptance did occur in the 5YL storyline. It was the third annual, I believe. My take is that this occurred when they were actually a few years older than the Action Legion is currently being portrayed. It took Vi years to get over the sense of betrayal and her anger. Her feelings were clearly portrayed pre- crisis. The current version has been promoted as the return of the pre-crisis team. If we accept that, we're kind of saying that the 5YL Legion didn't really evolve from the pre crisis Legion. For some fans that isn't a problem because they always considered 5YL to be a reboot of sorts.

The TMK version of how Vi dealt with her feelings about the betrayal, grew naturally from Levitz's original story. The current storyline seems to negate the power of that story to a degree. As I stated in my original post, Yera's aappearance was a trigger for me to start making comparisons between TMK and Lightning Saga. This is something I consciously tried to avoid, fearing that it would lessen my enjoyment of John's story because I am so devoted to 5YL. It happened in spite of my efforts, and the result is what I expected.

I agree with Set; I don't think Yera's a Legionnaire. And I don't want her to be! Not every character has to be a superhero. Just let her keep being an actress.

Yera is obviously a secret member of the Legion Emergency Squad.

I think it's obvious that this Yera IS a Legionnaire. Brainiac refers to her as "one of US" and she's given the code name Chameleon Girl, which she never had before. She's also using a Legion log-recording device to record her mission.

It could be a field commission. Much like the one given to Shadow Lass when she was introduced.

But Shadow Lass was not "one of us". In fact, she was told "this isn't your fight" after she accompanied the LSH back to Earth.

I found some answers to my own question here:

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=006796

Una and her progenitor Triplicate Girl belonged to the first, "original" Legion "universe". (That is not to say, however, that it is exactly the same as the Silver Age version. There were clearly some changes made to the original universe when the Multiverse was recreated in Infinite Crisis.) Unfortunately for disciples of the post-Zero Hour and current Legion continuities, the Triplicate Girl from those more recent incarnations don't "count" in this story. (They're from different time-lines, or alternate Earths in the Multiverse, or… Arghhhh! My head hurts again!)

My guess about Yera's membership is that; as future Earth is more fascistic, the rules for Legion membership have probably loosened considerably. Since they're not so much of a "superhero club" any more but more of a group of freedom fighters. Hence in the new world order, they could no longer afford the luxury of the Legion's former snobby acceptance policy i.e. duplicate powers, artificial powers, etc. What I'm saying is Yera's a freakin' Legionaire yo!

Oh, also. Violet probably just got over it. She's a big girl.

I didn't notice the Chameleon Girl until you mentioned it. (Those little blocks are invisible to me, for some reason, I gloss right over them...)

But the Legion log-recording device she was wearing as a bracelet? Never seen one of those before. My Legion-fu is weak.

i hope i dont get yelled at for this but i stupidly didnt get the lighting sag issues...yeah i know. i had just moved and i couldn't find a comic shop

can any one tell me the numbers so i can hunt them down? i've look on this thread but i cant find them

they're in a tpb now.

The actual issues are, uh... JLA 8-10, I think, and JSA 5-6. I think that's right.

i know but i don't think im ready to spend 24.99 for it with out reading it first

and i know i going to sound like a snob for saying this but.i want to hold off on the hard cover, until i can hold an issue and know Micheal turner had nothing to do with the art work inside, id rather spend the money on good artist then pay for shiny covers

thank you Matthew E

Oh my, finally my new Action issue is here.

Have to say, I really liked it. Though it was (FOR GODS SAKE!!!!) a little bit slower paced than the last one, it had a lot of interesting stuff which felt really right to me. The story getting more hopeless (more and more Legionnaires getting caught, but we KNOW, we KNOW that soon, they will all get free and KICK some major Earth-Man butt ), new revelations (Sun Boy making the sun go red, Yera undercover), characterization (Radiation Roy, Storm Boy, all logical continuations of classic Legion Lore) - I just loved it. Hope that they will resolving it in a satisfying manner.

Still think that currently, this is the best book on the market - the first one for decades that makes me read it AT ONCE, at the bathroom if neccessary....

Me too. This story is classic Legion in construction and in spirit...with modern story telling elements mixed in to the basic "Legion On the Run" tale.

I can't wait to open the book when it's out. I find it very difficult to make myself wait until I get home to read it.

I just hope Superman fandom feels the same way.

Catching up in comments, one page at a time.

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I don't mind the name Earth-Man; it fits, especially given his agenda and propaganda.

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Not only does Yera have hair, but her antennae are different too. They used to be miniaturized and sprouted from her eyebrows. Now they're larger and in the middle of her forehead like Cham's. Still, I like her new look.

I assumes she was caught mid-transformation, actually, as her disguise had hair. Or maybe she went Babylon-5, and got hair implanted to be more human.

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Originally posted by Jerry:
Remember how mad Vi was at Duplicate Boy for not saying anything to anyone that he suspected that she "wasn't the Vi he knew." Yera was clearly unaware that Shrinking Violet was being tortured. However, she was pretty stupid not to realize that something terrible was happening. Why else would she have been asked to pose secretly as Vi?

As I recall, she was led to believe she was covering for Vi, who was on a top-secret mission for the Imskian gov't. Yera could easily have let delusions of self-importance and opportunity get in the way of thinking and analysing strategy; she wouldn't have been the first performer to have done so.

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In bringing the issue up, I'm pointing out how the current series is harder for me to accept as a true blue TMK fan. The conversation between Yera and Vi, and grudging acceptance did occur in the 5YL storyline. It was the third annual, I believe. My take is that this occurred when they were actually a few years older than the Action Legion is currently being portrayed. It took Vi years to get over the sense of betrayal and her anger. Her feelings were clearly portrayed pre- crisis. The current version has been promoted as the return of the pre-crisis team. If we accept that, we're kind of saying that the 5YL Legion didn't really evolve from the pre crisis Legion. For some fans that isn't a problem because they always considered 5YL to be a reboot of sorts.

I am also a big TMK fan. At this point, I am assuming Yera was a sort of drafted-by-necessity recruit, as Cham was away. A major crisis like this sometimes causes people to swallow bitter pills and work with people they'd rather not face. In TMK, it was Vi's war experience that presumably served as catalyst for reconcilliation. In this variant, the whole JLA/Earth crisis could serve the same function.

Part of what I'm liking about the current story is that it borrows from both Levitz and TMK themes. As I'm not expecting it to be gospel to either (how could any new work do so?), I'm content to enjoy it for what it is. Hopefully, there will be adequate explanations as we go. So far, Johns has not disappointed; I'm content to let him unfold the story at his own pace. We fans are too used to assuming we know how things fit together in advance, and that's not necessarily a good thing, story-wise.

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Originally posted by Matthew E:
I agree with [b]Set; I don't think Yera's a Legionnaire. And I don't want her to be! Not every character has to be a superhero. Just let her keep being an actress.[/b]

I agree with your supporting-cast views, but it does seem she is a Legionnaire (even if drafted, as I speculate). The code-name is one fairly clear sign; also there is a mention a couple issues ago about "Yera and the other Legionnaires."

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Originally posted by Uranus Lad:
My guess about Yera's membership is that; as future Earth is more fascistic, the rules for Legion membership have probably loosened considerably. Since they're not so much of a "superhero club" any more but more of a group of freedom fighters. Hence in the new world order, they could no longer afford the luxury of the Legion's former snobby acceptance policy i.e. duplicate powers, artificial powers, etc. What I'm saying is Yera's a freakin' Legionaire yo!

I agree. That fits both the TMK-ish thmese, but also the blending of Subs without clear delineation.

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I'm stuill assuming Una is paired with Val because both were saved from untimely deaths; thus both can operate freely without the public at large, or spies/observors in the 31st C noticing their absense.

Back in L-Saga, Val mentioned being rescued by the founders; I think Una is Luornu's third body, rescued in time from being killed by Computo. She's made references to herself as Triplicate Girl, not being Duo Damsel (at least in the Supergirl appearance, and the one Countdown issue I did pick up).

Either that or she's the missing Cham.

Which Supergirl issue was that?

Supergirl #21 and #22 had the KK and Una appearance.

Thanks Jerry

I'm a little behind--sort of missed the Lightning Saga, hopped on Action a little late--but we're still in the dark as to what all of this means, right? We're not sure what the relationship between the current LSH continuity and the LS/Action Legion is, we're not really sure if the Action Legion is what the Legion would have become without Zero Hour, we're not really sure if the LS Legion is from the same reality/continuity as the Action Legion. Right? Is anyone else really worried that the answer to all of these questions is going to be really fanboyish and convoluted? Does anyone else have the sick feeling that whatever explanation we get will be one that negates all of these alternatives and gives us an inevitably unsatisfying restoration of, if not THE, A status quo? Head hurts, must lie down...

I know, I know, I'm wallowing in as much Legion action as I can remember in 20 years of Legion collecting...I should just lay back and enjoy it.

Armsfall, in Lightning Saga and perhaps elsewhere we have seen references to a "Crisis of Three Legions."

In Action #850, we saw the current/Threeboot Legion, still looking for ways to get Supergirl back to the 21st, looking back on a time viewer and catching references to Superman interacting with the Legion - in ways leaving the Threeboot Legion quite confused.

Likewise, Supergirl's meeting with Karate Kid and Una in her series similarly confused those two as to why Suergirl had memories of meeting a Legion that didn't sound like theirs.

So we definitely have clear indications that the two Legions are not the same ones, and people are becoming aware of the differences; hoepfully the new DCMultiverse will continue to be wide enogh to allow at least 2 futures.

We have seen enough to know that the Lightning/Action Legion does have at least some variations from Preboot; even if it's just KK being alive while Jeckie is Sensor Girl (who appreared in Lightning Saga).

I am fully cogniscent that whatever the explanation, there will be plenty of fans who take issue with it. I don't care. I'm enjoying this Legion on par with DnA at their best, TMK, and Levitz. I'm more concerned with its continuance than how it fits in "continuity".

So the LS Legion and the Action Legion are the same Legion? I seem to remember a reference from Action to the mission with the wands in the past. Does there seem to be a time lapse between the two? Is the Action Legion older, or does it just seem that way?

I'm completely off the reservation on KK and "Una" in Countdown. The KK in Countdown is the KK who showed up in the LS, right?

The current LSH featured in their own title have no Superboy/man memories, right? As long as the reboot Legion doesn't bounce out of Hypertime...

I'm not so much worried about continuity as I am making narrative sense (eventually).