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Holy Sh*t!

What in the world just happened? Ben is cold hearted. I mean really.

Lost keeps getting better and better.

Wow.

I'm kind of in shock.

Great, great episode. Definately a very freaky and creepy sequence with 'Jacob' and definately a WTF? ending.

I hope Locke isn't dead, as he's my favorite. I feel like it wouldn't be far-stetched for him to return before the season ends, given his role on the island. But great sequence.

Tons of questions on Jacob.

So, Richard remains the 'recruiter'? Interesting.

The truth behind the 'incident' and the end of Dharma--holy crap, that was awesome! Some real, God-honest answers, and we see just how fearsome Ben really is. That leaves TONS and TONS of questions about the Others. I wonder if they'll ever spell out stuff about Dharma that are obvious to people who have spent hours upon hours reading up on things online, but impossible to figure out to people who just watch the show?

Looking forward to the rest of the season! Honestly, that was pretty freakin' awesome! I'm in shock still.

I just love it that the skeletal Roger in the van with the beer was Ben's dad. Awesome!

It's possible Ben PRETENDS to talk to Jacob, but doesn't. I freeze-framed Jacob as best I could with my cable-issue DVR. Scrawny old man with bushy, receding hair.

Interesting that Richard hasn't really aged. And who are the "Hostiles" really, now? They're not just rogue Dharmas, not originally, not all of them. Did they come on the Black Rock?

Also, wonder if Ben's gas attack killed Annie as well? He still has her doll. More will come of this, I think.

Now we know why Ben wanted (and not) John to kill his father--more proof of John following in Ben's footsteps, possibly to replace him.

Fun stuff. It really looks like a climactic confrontation. Will this be the end of the Others? Given all the intensity of the story with the Others, it's hard to see it continuing next year.

I was thinking as I went to sleep last night...

Here you have Benjamin, a man starts off on one side and chooses another (kind of like being born a Hebrew, and becoming a Roman). A man who claims a kingship by virtue of his supposed relationship with a "Jacob." A man who may fear children and go to great lengths to kill them. A man who, when confronted with someone who may be a true "son" of the island and leader, tries to kill him, causing him to "descend to the dead" in the pit. Look for John Locke to return on the "third day." If I were Saul, I mean Herod, I mean Ben, would watch my back.

(FYI, Wikipedia says King Saul was a member of the tribe of Benjamin!)

This has been today's episode of "Pop Biblical Analogies for a Penny."

You realize doublechinner, that you've now led me to believe there will many more episodes to come, and I now consider you *the* source of Pop Biblical Analogies

Has Jacob been referred to in Lost before? I'm getting that vibe from many of you. If so, spill!

Jacob has been referred to a number of times this season.

Jack was said "not to be on Jacob's list" when the Others had him in captivity.

Ben said something about having Jacob cure Juliet's sister's cancer.

"God loves you as he loved Jacob" was also part of Karl's brainwashing film.

It's almost certain the Jacob = the mysterious "Him" that's been referred to by the Others as their leader beginning last season.

What's up with Richard appearing in Ben's flashback when he was a child? Are we supposed to believe that's a younger version of Richard? Was it supposed to be Richard's father? The current Richard looks younger than the current Ben!

Is it possible that the secret of the island is immortality to its residents? Perhaps Richard hasn't aged since he met Ben as a child. Perhaps it will be revealed that Locke was somehow born on this island or his mother was. Do we know anything about her anyway?

I don't buy it that Locke bites it either. He will heal.

Doublechinner: totally loved your biblical analogy! makes me want to look into other allusions the show may contain, like the island as an Eden of sorts with Lucifers all around...

Glad you enjoyed it. I'm hardly a biblical expert. Maybe I should use the summer hiatus to re-read the good book.

EDE's rundown on Jacob was really useful, especially the "list" part. 'Cause, was the list REALLY coming from Jacob, or Ben saying it was from Jacob?

There has to be some sort of internal struggle about the island that centers on Ben. After all, we know the island cures profound illnesses and injuries. And yet Ben developed a lethal spine tumor. AND then a plane with a spine surgeon fell out of the sky. It is as if one or personalities, with Ben being one, is struggling to control the island's power. Jacob's "Help Me" plea suggests that he's not too thrilled with the current situation.

OK guys, more pop-Biblical Analogies.

As you may recall, Jacob (also named Israel) was the forefather of the tribes of Israel, named after his sons (which may therefore connect him to Battlestar Galactica as well. DOh!).

Jacob had 2 wives, sisters Rachel and Leah. Rachel died giving birth to Jacob's 12th son, named, you guessed it, Benjamin!

Biblical Jacob is of course fascinating and complicated, like our Lost characters. While he was officially beloved of God (only person in Old Testament where the Big Guy said "I love him, man.") But, he also struggled with God (which is what "Yisrael" means). And his life was full of exiles, betrayals, and deaths of loved ones. So, a good name for a Lost character.

Last one today (maybe),

Benjamin, son of Rachel and Jacob, was born on the road! His name means son of my right hand. As you may recall, Jacob's other sons gave Joseph a tough time, but Benjamin refrained. In fact, Benjamin was instrumental in TESTING the other sons to see if they had left their wickedness behind. Despite being a generally decent fellow by all accounts, Jacob's deathbed blessing on Benjamin was "Benjamin is a ravening wolf, in the morning he devours the prey, in the evening he snatches a share of the spoil. (Genesis 49:27)" Benjamin's tribe later instigated a civil war with the other tribes of Israel, which almost exterminated the Benjaminites. Later, the Benjamins and the Judah were the only tribes to survive the Babylonian Exile, with the other tribes becoming the "Lost."

Cool. A lot of food for thought there, doublechinner.

I've heard in various places that Jack and James are both names derived from Jacob. (Might have read it here, but I don't know right now.)

I was looking to confirm that and came up with this. I knew some of the characters were based on people, but I didn't know that one was.

And if anyone wants to see it, the promo is here.

The latest episode was AMAZING! What a jaw-dropper! I think it's in the running for best of the season actually! I especially loved the supernatural element that was introduced via Jacob! The finale looks like it's shaping up to be awesome too! A battle between the two groups? Can't wait!

Checking out the Timeline on Lostpedia I notice that this episode took place over December 22/23. That means the finale and big showdown should all happen around the 25th. Who wants to bet there's gonna be some sort of Christmas reference in there somewhere?

I know it's probably not going to happen but I wish the storyline with the Others would be done after this season. I'm ready to see the back of them.

I wish we could see new threats and challenges emerge for our Losties. More 'unknown' kinda stuff like in the first season. Like that "illness" or whatever it was that took out Rousseau's team. We've never had that explained have we? Or maybe a natural disaster like the Tsunami could hit? I read somewhere that the date that that occurred on is coming up in the Lost universe. That would make an exciting episode if they were to incorporate it. Or maybe some new villains. Not sure where they'd come from though.

I'm still loving this show but part of me feels like it needs an injection of something 'new'. The Jacob thing was a good start though and I can't wait to see where they go with it!

I believe that the producers have said that Christmas will be celebrated during the fourth season.

Blacula, I believe the Tsunami hit right on New Year's Day (actually now I'm not sure given time differences, etc.). I really can't see them doing that on the show though.

I'm interested in the four toed statue for upcoming seasons!

The Tsunami hit 12/26/2004.

really cool episode. Biblical Jacob was also a twin I think. Did the mother have another child in her?

Ben is evil.

Hmm... I just saw a spoiler from a Michael Emerson interview re: Locke's fate.

It looks like there's a pretty clever connection between what happens to him after being shot and something in his past...

Links!

Okay.


Michael Emerson Interview, Extremely Spoilerific!

Rousseau's team arrived 15 yrs ago, maybe they were wiped out by the others the same way the others wiped out the entire settlement. Ben would have been a teen so i dont know how that would all tie in.

Must... resist... urge... to read... interview...

Thanks Eryk!

I'm debating whether I should click on it.

Ah hell, I know I will.

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