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Tons of great stuff. I’ve said before Locke is my favorite character, this episode cemented that further than all the rest. I love his story and the path he is on. His father definitely ‘had it coming’. Good riddance (I love when TV shows make me feel like a vengeful bastard!) Ben and the Others were really interesting, including Cindy and the other Tailies/Kidnap-ies. The notion that they’re in hell, or purgatory, etc., was very powerful and made for a great episode. But the best part of the episode, in probably one of the top five spine-tingling moments in all of Lost, is when Sawyer here’s Locke’s Dad say “Tom Sawyer”, the music plays louder, his eyes focus tighter, and he looks at him and says “well, how about that? Sawyer’s my name too.” Phenomenally done. A flood of emotions hit me as a viewer, from anticipation of what we know is about to come, to feeling the sense of sadness of what this man has done to Sawyer’s life, to pure blood-thirsty vengeance knowing comeuppance is peaking its head from around the corner.

And then when Sawyer takes out the letter from his pocket (where of course he still had it), it was pure gold. Both actors pulled from depths I wasn’t sure they had…and well…wow.

Not only has Locke moved on in this episode to his own path, but now Sawyer finally has moved on, and allowed the grip of his old life to loosen. I feel that this was as much a turning point for Sawyer as Locke. Perhaps now, if Jack dies, Sawyer really will be able to be their leader, with this now in the past behind him?

Little things:
- Cool to see the Black Pearl again! Its cool now to know more of its history because of Lostipedia.com. (Magnus Hanzo was its captain, probably how he found the island—hope we see that next week!)
- Rosseau looking for dynamite? Alex, here she comes…
- Desmond sees Sayid enter the tent and you can see a sense of relief and happiness that its Sayid that has come, rather than Jack or someone else.
- I also love Desmond’s face when Naomi explains Penelope sent her there. Penelope truly is named after Odysseus wife, the beacon of fidelity.
- Both Hurley and Sawyer have been shown to read ‘Bad Twin’ where ‘Penelope Windmore’ is specifically named, as is Honzo I believe.
- Locke and Sawyer don’t really have that many scenes together over three seasons, but when they do, its usually packed with excellent acting, tension and drama.
- Kate and Sawyer really do belong together; high-lighted by when they’re not fighting and getting along.
- The first scene with Jack, where he tells Charlie to ‘sign him up’ for the next camping trip, really highlighted the sense that Jack is an outsider now, and because of all the time he’s spent away and with Juliet, there is a sense of loss and disconnect with the ‘everyday’ members of the Losties, like Charlie, Hurley, Claire, Rose, etc. (rather than the ‘Commando Losties’ like Sayid, Kate and Sawyer).
- Richard of the Others, continues to serve a very interesting function. Obviously high-up in the ‘hierarchy’, he maintains his ‘recruiter’ aspect even on the island. But he did seem genuine, and the notion that Locke is a potential ‘messiah’ to the Others because of his obvious deep connection to the island is intriguing. I wonder more about Walt now and his similarity to Locke in that aspect.

“We should tell her…” – so I wonder where that is leading?

BTW, if anyone has a link to the trailer for next week's episode, I'd be very grateful!

I like how Locke's father immediately came to the theory that many audience members did - about them already being dead. The way he described it makes perfect sense from his point of view. (how many reasons could there be for finding oneself in a pirate ship in the middle of a jungle?)

Yeah, this episode, like "Dave", definitely had that feel of flirting with fan theories.

I wonder how exactly he did end up on the island, though?

Hopefully we'll find that out next week, as Locke learns about the island!

No doubt Cooper's a bastard of the highest degree, but let's not hold Sawyer's mom and pop blameless either. And certainly, becoming a man just like Cooper (albeit one who stopped short one time when he saw there was a child involved) is certainly a twisted way to go about things.

Don't get me wrong, I like Sawyer, but his righteousness here shouldn't be taken for granted. I'm sure there are folks he's conned who'd like to put his neck in a noose.

That's part of why Sawyer's story isn't over. His motivation isn't just that he wants revenge. It's that he hates himself for becoming like the very man who ruined his life. Sawyer has a *long* way to before he's solved his issues. It'll actually be interesting to see how he develops now that he's passed through this particular stage.

I agree. I like the possibilities for Sawyer after this ep. I was worried that if he didn't kill Cooper his story would be over, but I was also worried that if he did kill Cooper for revenge it would make him the bad guy. But I think we saw just how much Sawyer has grown since the beginning of the series, but it leaves a lot open for more stories, too.

Nah, the big mystery now is how the hell Sawyer's letter survived the raft expedition and the capture/torture by the Others.


Cobie, it's nice to hear your not upset with Locke. Most everyone is right now, it seems. Admittedly, putting Sawyer in that position was a rotten thing to do, but I'm still interested in Locke's journey. Everyone's mad a Kate right now, too, for telling Jack about Naomi. I don't really get that. I mean, it was wrong, but people's reactions seem way overboard to me.

And here\'s the promo. I meant to bookmark it for myself and post the link last night, but I forgot. Thank goodness for searchable histories.

Thanks Al!

I also don't get why people would be mad at Kate. Obviously they can't keep it from Jack forever, and there's probably a good amount he can do to help Naomi. Also, the only way to really get the scoop on Jack and Juliet is to confront the issue, which Kate is at least doing.

And yeah, I'm not upset at all with Locke . He did...well, what Locke does. He still did the right thing for the Losties and he gave Sawyer a chance to do something that he himself couldn't do. I'm really interested in his journey more than anything else right now.

Definatley agree that Sawyer has a long, long, long way to go, but like I said earlier, I do think this was a major turning point for him. In a way, Hurley tried the 'lovable' way of getting Sawyer to change, and Locke did the 'hateable' way to do it.

Ben's taking a pretty 'hateable' way to get people to change, too.

About Kate, some people think she's just using Sawyer for sex and doesn't really care about him. I think that's nuts, personally. The girls scared of commitment, that's all. She needs to feel she has a place to run to. And although I understand Sayid and the others being leery of Jack, I think it was a mistake to hide things from the rest of the camp. Kate breaking her word (if she gave or implied she gave it) was wrong, but Sayid wasn't entirely right, either. He's the one that thought keeping Michael's treason a secret, too, and look how that turned out.

That said, I still think Sayid's the best choice for leader. If he survives.

To continue a thought from several pages ago:
Jack = Rokk
Sawyer = Garth
Kate = Imra
Locke = Brainiac 5
Charlie = Brin
Claire = Ayla
Jin/Sun = KK/Projectra - not to be stereotypical cuz of the asian thing, but Jin's devotion reminds me of KK's. And Sun's got nothing on Jeckie in terms of misleading people. She's also a princess of sorts - look at the way she threatened Jin's whoremother - very regal
Jin/Sun = Jo/Tinya - I can also see this very easily because she comes from privelege and he's from humble beginnings and has that gangster past (there's also the whoremother thing which is similar to the twoboot Jo)
Hurley = Bouncing Boy
Desmond = Mon-el (there's a darkness, the whole being isolated for a long time thing and being displaced in time thing)

Okay, so I was playing around with the pause button on the promo and came up with this:



Any ideas? It might be eyeliner guy, but I'm not sure. There's a freaky looking doll in the promo, too, but I couldn't catch it.

Edit: A friend found me these screencaps. They don't have the guy, but they've got the doll.

Certainly looks like Eyeliner Guy to me.

Why do they need a leader? Have they decided to stay and create a new society? Jack was the leader by default- people HAD to come to him because he was a doctor and could fix their injuries. But since season 1, they've all pretty much done what they wanted. Sayid seems to be the only one listening to Jack anymore.

If they need a new boss, I'm all for Desmond taking charge. He really stepped up a couple weeks back when he organinzed the "camping trip."

Anyone heard the latest? Lost is renewed for three more seasons after which it will end. Each season will only be 16 episodes each, running without repeats. At least that's what Variety is reporting.

That sounds about right for what I've heard they wanted to do. Actually, I thought it was supposed to be (5) seasons, so its good that we'll get (6). I guess it comes out to the around the same number of episodes though.

I really don't know much about how the ratings are, but I can't see it doing badly. I hope this is story-related reasoning than rating-related.

BTW, yeah, that looks like Eye-liner guy to me too Arachne.

His fangirls concur.

Yeah, I think the new plan is story related. I think the creators really wanted to know when it would end so they could pace it right. The first plan I hear was for a season and a half. That'd be about 33 episodes. With this plan we get 48 over three. seasons. So we're coming out ahead.

CJ, I don't think Sayid's listening to Jack much anymore. As for why they need a leader, most of the time they don't, but there's always decisions no one wants to make.

But I don't see Sayid leading people. He seems more like a good 1st, but not the BMOC type.

The last ep really highlighted my deepening hatred of Jack. I'm tired of the hypocritical moralizing, the secrets, the macho posturing, the manipulations....I really hope that somehow he gets some sort of comeuppance.

i got back from my holiday on Monday, and through a stroke of LUCK i was able to watch BOTH of the 2 episodes, that i was gonna miss whilst i was away !!

and they were both great, the flashback with Jin and Sun was really good, but the LOCKE and SAWYER episode was amazing !!

i thought the connection between the 2 of them was brilliant, and both actors were great !!

SAWYER was always my favourite character, but this episode increased my love of him even more !!

i'd like to go back and watch his CHARACTER episodes from seasons 1 & 2 [ can anyone help me out with the episode titles ?? ]

can't wait to see the next episode this Sunday [ and i really don't think i will be able to resist reading the SPOILERS from you guys, in the next few hours ...... ]

Matthew.

isn't it funny how everyones reactions to JACK's character has changed through the course of this season !!

i wonder if JACK will redeem himself by the finale ?? and everyone will see him as the 'hero' he was portrayed to be in the 1st season ??

i read a while ago that MATTHEW FOX and JOSH HOLLOWAY didn't get on !!?? [ not sure what to believe, as alot of this nonsense to hype, i think !!?? ]

but i read that FOX was trying to get HOLLOWAY's character killed off, beacause he had been given a more 'behind the scenes' roll !!

but i'd have to say out of the 2 characters [ JACK & SAWYER ] i'd say that SAWYER has had much more SCREEN time season !!?? don't you think ??

so what gives ......

Matthew.

btw ... i thought the scenes that MARSHA was in this last episode were great, loved the bit with SAYID and her telling him, not for her to RESCUE him 'next time' !!

although MARSHA hasn't been able to tell me any secrets or spoilers i do FEAR that her character won't be alive by the season finale !!?? especially in-light of the 5 characters that are rumoured to be killed off !!??

i hope i'm wrong ...... i'd love for her to remain on the island [ and to star in season 4 ]

Matthew.

Well. That was quite and ending.

Um, Sawyer eps. Confidence Man, and Outlaws from season one. The Long Con from season two. You might want to check out Whatever the Case May Be and Born to Run from season one, they're Kate eps, but Sawyer's pretty prominent. (Right off the top of my head, can you tell he's one of my favourites, too? )

I think the stories about Fox and Holloway not getting along are just rumours. There are rumours that Fox wants to leave the show, too.

I really like Naomi, too, Matt, and we need more girls on this show.

Hm. People 'see' things on the island. But not all people, only some. The ones that are good (I don't quite know what that means, though, but killing people on purpose is certainly a no-no). Walt. Hurley. now Locke. Shannon. Eko, at the end (I guess he redeemed himself). Desmond. and, funnily, Kate (the horse). If you are bad, you see a monster. Ben took Locke to Jacob because he thought he had killed his father, and so would not be able to see him. Children need to be taken away as soon as possible, because they will be able to see Jacob. And Ben does not want that. So I'm starting to think that this business of women dying during pregnancy is a hoax, it's all about the children. And Kate is not actually a bad person...

As to why Ben sees Jacob, well, that's the chink in my theory. He is most certainly a creep.

I'm not worried about Locke. He'll heal, and later on will give Ben one of the biggest scares of his life.