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I'd have to disagree on that point. I think there's been too much emphasis on falling back on a "classic"costume to denote an individual character, and their development as a relateable, believable individual can fall by the wayside. Case in point, the undefined, mutable "personalities" of the early Legion.

Certainly there are iconic characters like Superman whose costume has changed very little where I doubt you'll ever see much change (and there's the secret identity aspect as well). Legionnaires don't have to worry about secret identities, they could change their costumes frequently if they wanted to. And really, some times you want your summer bare-midriff, sleeveless costume and sometimes you want a super-parka.

Also with the emergence of the multiple universes, I'd really like to see multiple versions of the Legion. I want to see what other creators do with them, a good story with good art should be first and foremost always.

I suppose this could be a little confusing for new readers but there is plenty to be confused about in comics in general. Things aren't the same as they were in the 70's when you bought your comics at the drugstore and the preponderance of readers were under 20. Most comic readers now (for better or worse) are adults and would hopefully have a more sophisticated understanding of things like a change of costume and be able to make those leaps. As an adult and a comic reader, I'd like to give us more credit than that.

And really, the costume differences are generally minor as far as the overall theme goes, although all of the Legionnaires have gone through many costume changes over the decades, most are still generally recognizable from their earlier versions with the rare exception of characters like Element Lad (doubtful we'll ever see a version of the pink and white costume again -but then again, you never know...).

Or the threeboot ones, for that matter. After the first twelve issues I realized that the changed costumes only served to reinforce that these characters, despite their names, were nothing like the original Legionnaires in personality.

So yeah, if the writers can't be bothered to get the characterization right, then I can't get all het up about the artist messing up the costumes.

agreed.

with consistent art and clearly identifiable faces/characteristics, static costumes are irrelevant. A brown-haired guy with slightly messed up or slongish hair, with stubble, will be clearly identifable as Jo most of the time; if not, a visible green T-shaped dragon emblem somewhere (even a tatoo or bandanna) would be enough of a clue. At this point, we need only a suggestion of identification in costuming, and costumes can be almost as diverse as clothing is in real life.

The costumes between the LS and Action has me thinking if they are even the same Legion.

I support new costumes but I do think DC should be smarter about this. I don't like that every artist that comes in makes their own costumes, etc.

DC should get a number of artists to design several costumes for each member and then pick from there. That way we get a definite costume for each member and it doesn't change for each story line or artist change.

In reference to Action #859 - I loved it. Absorbancy Boy is back as a truly formidable villain, along with a bunch of 'rejects'. I love Earth Man's side burns and Fascist Nazi outfit. Radiation Roy is spooky as well.

BTW, couldn't the 'alien' Element Lad just create a Kryptonite ring (assuming he's still around)? Such an item 'found' by Cosmic Boy and friends could easily be dismissed as a forged article by any humans, I would think.

The Lightning Saga and this current story in Action is the Legion I prefer. You go, Geoff Johns.

Uranus Lad, you are clearly the anti-Christ and therefore must die.

But seriously, folks, I find it hard to believe that with all the super doodads available to the Legion, they'd need to pilfer the Batcave to prove Krypton's existence. Why not just whip out your handy dandy pocket time viewer (from Ronco®) for instance? Still, the writers have come up with an interesting concept so I'll ride with it.

I suppose the reason could be this: When an entire world is brainwashed and/or prejudiced to the point of creating gulags for extraterrestrials, nothing short of "absolute proof" or a "miracle" will do. Maybe that's why Brainiac 5 decided to call Superman himself, even though he knew Supes wouldn't have his powers under earth's red sun.

Agreed. If everything the Legion has done or said is assumed to be a lie, then the Legion needs to achieve an extraordinary level of proof to counter that perception. Sort of like trying to use logic and reason with today's zealots of various stripes, who have largely made up their minds already and automatically dismiss all the evidence their particular ideology has already decided is tainted.

The founders thought finding a kryptonite ring will prove the existence of krypton.

I am sure some kind of carbon dating can tell the age of the rock versus if Element Lad just created it. But I agree it sounds far fetched that this rock will prove anything.

That is why Brainiac 5 is smarter than the average Legionaire. He got Superman!

Well, the ring thing also works on a symbolic level. In my review on Legion Abstract I figured it like this:
I could also have said how the kryptonite ring is an anti-Superman ring, while the flight ring is associated even more explicitly with Superman by the way he's wearing it so prominently on that one cover.

I like that line of thinking, Matthew.

Well, I don't know about the dying part, I suppose it is inevitable... Just don't make me angry. Don't you know what Uranus is like when it's angry?

As far as the E-Lad created ring goes, wouldn't the fact he could make kryptonie prove there was a Krypton? I mean, an "element" would have to have existed and he would have to know or be able to tune in on the atomic makeup of kryptonite to recreate it. Right? I dunno. It seems like they were kind of desperately grasping at straws anyway and it doesn't matter much now, they've been captured and Element Lad is as yet out of the picture. Yeah, Gulgags, fascist xenophobes, a red Sun... Tusker! (I suppsose it be too much to hope for Eyeful Ethel? Arm Fall Off Boy? Antenna Lad?) Crashing comets! I can't wait for the next issue!

So Action #859 finally reached my home as well. Oh and I loved it even more than the first issue. No matter what we have been discussing the last few months, the emotional element of this new/old Legion totally gets me. This is what feels like "my Legion", and the more of the old stuff keeps returning (talking about Mordru, seeing Blok and Focc, meeting the bad rejects...), the more it feels like this is what we lost year ago... it feels so great!

I really dig the kinda 5YL storyline as well. Okay, so I always loved 5YL, so it is no surprise. But this future feels like it can be saved (Earth has not exploded, the UP is still a major force, the Legionnaires eem to be mostly alive), and so there is the possibility of an ongoing book after the current storyline - I really hope so cause I care for these characters even if I have seen most of them in just one panel - they feel much more like "my Legion" than Reboot and Threeboot together, and I'm so excited to see how the story will continue.

One question to ask though: Don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but did anyone else get the feeling that the captured Phantom Girl looked... different? I mean, her breasts seem to be immense, and her tummy seems to be a little... plump, so CAN IT BE THAT... she has been pregnant??? Is there a tiny little Ultra Phantom Baby in this future???

Actually I did notice that her hairstyle -which reminded me of 19th century curls - and cleavage made her look a little on the plump (and cute) side, not pregnant. But I wouldn't mind a little Tiny(a)-Jo!

I think it's nice that you guys are so enthusiastic about the return of Cub.

Well, the Reboot Legion (especially the DnA and post-DnA one) is my second most favorite Legion era all things considered.

Catching up: just got the two Action issues as well the latest Green Lantern Corps with Legion reference.


Action

Eye don't like the art. Seriously, I understand an artist wanting a signature but I find it very distracting from the story and the rest of the art.

Story is good.

I'm not sure what you mean. You didn't like the art in Action because....?

I didn't care for the cookie-cutter costumes in the reboot, but unless you're a Legion fan, you're bound to be confused when the Legion monthly, the toon, the JLA/JSA story and now Action all show different costumes. Heck, even the toon changed some costumes in season two...and the monthly is changing costumes also.

From a marketing standpoint, it makes good sense to not have so many different visuals of the Legion. As a Legion fan, it's not a big problem with me -- and I do like updated looks. That's what drew me to the Legion back in the day.

There are some good designs in all of the stories mentioned above, but there are quite a few clunkers as well.

I think DC needs to be a bit wiser in how they showcase the team. It doesn't have the fan base it once did.

nooooooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooooo

That's one cub there should be no penalty for clubbing...

Wow! So you guys feel that way for Garridan and Graym too?

No... just Cub...

Who is Cub???

I hazily remember there was a Reboot kid of Tinya, but that was in a time period when I was way beyond caring for the characters... one word: COCO :-P

But I always cared very deeply for Tinya and Jos relationship, it was some kind of fundament of the Legion (together with Imra/Garth and Cos/Lydda). It was made even more iconic with Tinyas tragic end.

They actually made me care for the Reboot once: When Tinya died AGAIN (which I felt was even more tragic because of the repetition) during White Triangle. But she got resurrected very quickly, so the effect was lost.

As for caring: I don't know how you feel about it, but I CARE very much for this Action kinda Preboot Legion. While I did never much care for the reboot and the fate of the Threeboot characters left me cold from the first moment on, I deeply feel with those captured Legionnaires and want them to get free. So no matter what the scientists say about this old/new incarnation: Geoff Johns managed to make me care with only a few issues... good job!

Cub was Jo and Tinya's son in the reboot.