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Wow! Definitely one of the best episodes of the series!

We must not have seen the same episode.

Don't get me wrong, there was some interesting stuff. but not worth an entire episode devoted to Desmond.

Only fools are enslaved by time and space.
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.

Watch the part where Kate and Swayer save Carl from Room 23.

I think the episode raised a lot of interesting questions.

There's been an ongoing question since the start of the show what exactly the role of the flashbacks in the storyline is. Are they just the memories that happen to be influencing the character's behavior at the moment? Are they the "monster" scanning the mind of the person? Something else else else entirely? Was Desmond's post-Hatch "flashback" of the same variety as that of other characters, with the exception that he could act to change things? Was the old lady in the jewelry store a manifestation of the monster, ala Dave or Eko's brother? And how does the "flash-forwards" that Desmond is having connect to the flashbacks?

There's also the tie to the whole "destiny" idea that's been flirted with since the very beginning. Can Charlie's fate be changed? Or is Desmond right in thinking that no matter what he does...?

Thanks, Eryk, I've been trying to put those ideas into words all day. You summed it up well.

Personally, I would have liked to see more of the other characters (I miss Sayid), but I thought this was a really good episode. One of the Skaters suggested that the old lady was some future version of Penny. It seemed to me that the lady looked a lot like the one talking to Jack in the promo for next week, but I didn't get a good enough look.

Forgot the most important questions: Does Sawyer know what that whiskey was worth? And if so, what's he going to do to Charlie when he finds out it's gone? A guy who's fated to die really ought to be more careful.

On a shipper note, the Jaters have a saying "Jate is Fate." You can also compare Desmond's feelings of inadequacy in his relationship with Penny, to Sawyer's feelings of inadequacy in his relationship with Kate. Could lead to some interesting conversations.

Also, the whole episode could have been a dream or some hallucination created by some higher power in order to communicate with Desmond. Not the monster, it's got other methods.

I just realized that the guy who plays Penny's dad also plays Bradford Meade in Ugly Betty.

Didn't the old lady from the jewelry store play in that Nicole Kidman movie "The Others"?

If so, kinda ironic, don'tcha think?

I thought it was a really good ep, but I like Des. Charlie's fated to die, huh? Interesting, seeing Desmond fight against fate. Can he change the future? Clearly, he wishes he had tried harder before.

It does seem to be a bit of a "rules change" for the series. If it was any other show, I might just assume that it was a dream or hallucination caused by the stress/electromagnetic force, but with the appearences of horses, polar bears, dead brothers, dead fathers, and other odd things going on, could it mean more? Other flashbacks have been just that, but Desmond's vision seems to be something different, mainly because of the jewelry store encounter. Guess TPTB at Lost don't buy quantum theory....

"Pressing that button is the only important thing you ever do?" Harsh.

Oooh! I just realized that there's probably a connection with Eko's death.

Locke saves Eko from the Polar Bears (thanks to a "vision" from the island) only to have him die a short time later. Maybe Eko was fated to die as well, and no matter what Locke did, it was going to happen?

Could be. Interesting.

I was thinking that Desmond got hit on the head and really did go back to his past and relived it with the opportunity to change things even though those changes may have been meant to happen.
Back then he didn't have psychic powers he just remembered things as they happened to him first time around.
He gets hit again and returns to the present.

Now while in our present Desmond is actually a Des from the future who was at some future point hit on the head again and came back to the past again but that past is now our present and he remembers an alternate version of events that happened the first time he lived it.
He might get hit again and not be able to see the future because the present Des won't have that ability.

I think I just confused myself...

i believe its alternate realities, charlie was there in the past and i dont know if thats an actual part of his past life or a part of this other reality. I think i am reading to much into this.
Each time desmond changes fate, wouldnt it be a new reality?

I think it's possible to read too much into all this (duh?). The common thread of the show is "I'm not worthy." Look at Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Jin, Charlie, Eko, Anna Lucia, Hurley, Shannon, Sayid, Desmond, etc. IF you send Des back in time, he's not going to make the same mistakes again, right? WRONG! He HAS to. Not just to save the world and maintain some shred of a narrative thread for the show. He has to because the point of the show is for the characters to suffer for their lack of self-worth. Desmond hasn't really conquered his inferiority complex yet, has he? Turning the key was heroic, but it was also the ultimate way to run away from Penny, too. He has a ways to go before he can stand before Whidmore and spit in the old bastard's eye.

Interesting review.

I'm rather fond of theory number four.

i really enjoyed the DESMOND episode, it really brought up some interesting ideas, and i can't wait to get further insights from DES !!

Matthew.

i liked the photos, which seem to feature certain 'easter eggs' !!??

very interesting ................

Matthew.

the actor is called ALAN DALE and he best known in OZ and the UK as JIM ROBINSON from their daytime soap 'Neighbours' [ which also brought us KYLIE M ]

but since working in the US, he's done pretty well for himself !! with roles on 'The OC', '24', 'ER', Ugly Betty' and 'Lost' [ all pretty major shows !! ]

Matthew.

No comments on this week's episode? It's certainly not as strong as last weeks. I heard somewhere that this one was originally supposed to be episode 8 not 9. That would have meant it aired on Valentine's Day. That might explain such a relationship heavy ep. Thank goodness they'll be back on the beach next week.

I wasn't very fond of this one. the long break between episodes really hurt. the desmond episode was great, but the stuff with Others seems so old and drawn out.

in fact, when the kidnapped members showed up looking brainwashed or something, I barely registered a hey look they are alive.

I think I am just going wait for the trade(I mean DVD).

I've got to say, enough with the backstories dominating the episodes already. Move this story forward please!!! Snails have a quicker pace than this show!

The Desmond ep was great, I didn't mind that it was steeped in the past, but every episode they seem to be beating it into our heads that so many of the survivors had crossed paths in the past, or are carrying a burden... we get it already. Please move on with the story!

I, for one, enjoyed Wednesday's episode quite a bit. I've only started following Lost regularly this season and don't find it boring at all. Maybe not having a huge yen for the beach dynamic because I wasn't there regularly has helped me with the fresher outlook.

I think the characters are fascinating, and the flashbacks interest me as much as the main story. For one thing, I'm wondering where the events shown with Jack and the zen tattoo girl fit into his timeline. After his marriage crumbled and before his dad died, I guess? Help?

An, btw, I really like the love triangle (quadrangle now with Juliet?), unlike many of you. I have trouble deciding whether Kate should be with Sawyer or Jack from week to week! So it's fun for me to see the wavering. AND I also like the chemistry between Jack and Juliet!

I think, though, that Desmond became my favorite character last week. He'safascinating character played by a very talented actor. That bit with his would-be dad-in-law and the two wine glasses was just mean! Poor Desmond!

As for Charlie, being told he's doomed probably insures he's not doomed--how better to throw us off track? And don't forget, the producers said at the beginning (jokingly or not) that the character was the only one on the show who's safe because of Monahan's rabid LotR following!

I'm really annoyed with how prisioners keep "coincidentally" passing each other thru the halls, wtf is all that about?! Jack just happens to get led down a corridor as Juliet is being taken to a cell, then it happens again, then Jack happens to walk down a corridor as Alex is being led away... I have to think it wouldn't be all that hard to wait for one to go by before moving the other, not like these people have a ton of desk work to get to... so it's gotta be more than coincidental... but why?

I don't buy ANY "coincidences" as far as the Others go. Bai Ling...whew. Nice to see that Jack's existential angst did not just begin on the beach.