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Re: Lightning Saga Legion in Action!
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Seeing the old Legion logo on the cover made me smile.

I wonder if the red s-shield-looking doohickey in space had anything to do with the sun being red. Looks like whatever was "discovered" in the arctic turned Superman into a non-alien with Smallville as his "birthplace." Hope Juun came to his senses before pulling the trigger.

It did strike me as odd that Clark didn't recognize Brainy more quickly, but I could see time travel + a post-hypnotic suggestion being easier to overcome when you are dealing with someone in person. And it helped introduce the Legion idea. Their first meeting was good too. I easily got the vibe that each of the Legionnaires were really excited to see Clark (and not just so they could flirt). Clark's reaction was pretty endearing, as was much of his depiction. It's nice to see someone depict him as he should be.

It seemed something made Brainy's time bubble programming go off course. I hope the whole arc isn't about finding where he is, though. Looks like the Cosmic Boy Death League got into the old HQ. Good to see they're still around.

I was glad to see Colossal Boy in the first set of Legionnaires. And he even had a few lines. His new costume was nice and functional (Dawnstar's too). I'm glad it didn't have that extra head thing. Wildfire's though, I don't know. He looked naked.

Can't wait to see who's in the next issue--maybe we could even have separate threads for these issues

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As was said, I didn't get why Clark did not recognize Brainy, since he just spent time with some Legionnaires during Lightning Saga. He spoke with such pride as having been a Legionnaire, and what they all meant to him. I could also see him wonder if the figure inside the robot was Vril Dox of L.E.G.I.O.N. for a moment...

Also it was wierd how Perry berated Clark for not having more friends at the Planet... Helllooooo!!! He's married to your other star reporter????!!! Not that Clark bothered to even call or see Lois before taking off to the future.

Lightning Saga really conveyed Clark's appreciation for what the Legion was to him, a place to belong, since he truly was "different" as a kid. That scene in LS where he says simply "We were Legion" made me want to stand up and say "YEAHHHH" with my fist in the air! But this first meeting with the founders really seemed to make Clark seem extra needy, begging to come along. They bent the laws of space and time to say "Hi" to their hero and then turn around and leave??? Why didn't they at least ask him for an autograph?

It also didn't make sense that Clark remembered visiting the future "between classes" and non-school days. Duh people, time travel here... you can always set the coordinates a few minutes here or there so that's not a problem (even Marty McFly figured that one out in the first Back to the Future movie). Seemed like an unnecessary explanation to me.

So this issue takes place a month after LS for Superman, but it's been almost 7 months since anyone in 3008 has seen Brainiac 5 (based on the time references made by Dawnstar and Colossal Boy).

And Awkward has it right, Wildfire did look naked. Funny thing to say about an energy being, but it seemed like his uniform had a "peek-a-boo" aspect to it.

Gary Frank's art is great, unless we're getting extreme closeups on faces. Dawnstar did look to be in her 40s and teenaged Imra had big ol' bugs eyes.

Despite my minor compliants, I'm really pumped about this story arc!!!!! It may not be the pre-Crisis Legion, but it'll do until something better comes along. LLL!!


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That scene in LS where he says simply "We were Legion" made me want to stand up and say "YEAHHHH" with my fist in the air!
Amen!!

A poster over at the DC Boards said that this Superman in Action and the Superman in Lightning Saga aren't one and the same, since there are several "Supermen" around what with 52 Universes and all.
I haven't followed Supes' titles recently, but was under the impression that it was the same Superman in Action and JLA.

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Man! There is NO pleasing some people. And I thought I was a harsh critic.


I don't get it. There seem to be so many people hating the artwork and writing on this story (which, overall, I quite liked) and raving about the same on the SLSH #35 story, which doesn't appeal to me at all. I have to go read them both again to see what everyone loves/hates so much.
Oh I prefer by far the Action Comiss story to the very disappointing Bedard run. I'm not a big fan of Gary Frank, but I prefer by far his clean pencil to Calero's confusing artwork.


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Mike Grell's cover (uncolored) for Action #861 is up at the Catskill Comics site (link posted by CC over at comicboards.com/superboy). Legion vs the "Justice League" of the 31st century.

The image is too big to post but here's the direct link: http://www.catskillcomics.com/GrellOA/Action861cover.jpg

Nice cover but have I ever said how much I loathe this neo-Nazi stuff? Well, I'm saying it now.

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That is such a classic looking Grell cover! I think I've died and gone to heaven.


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It IS a classic looking Grell cover! Even his pencils are very tight and clear like they used to be, unlike his more recent works.

Thanks for posting the link, Tromium. smile

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OK, something I was thinking about and a nagging little irritation.

The Founders say to Clark "Oh you have never seen flying kids before." Yet in this Post-Crisis Earth, we have the Justice Society that fought in WWII. So flying people, although probably not common, would not be unknown. Kind of takes away the whole alienated Clark vibe.


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True, but this is in small-town Kansas, pre-internet and pre-cable.

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I'm sure I remember an issue from a couple of years back with a young Clark dreaming about the JSA after watching old footage...


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I was confused about the changes to Dawnstar and Wildfire. From the story, these Legionnaires are only slightly more than six months removed from the Lightning Saga. So it seem weird that Dawnstar's and Wildfire's looks would have changed so much. I hope they don't change every Legionnaire's look after using the silver age looks to convince the readers that this is the same as the pre-boot Legion.

Or are the new looks a hint that maybe this is not the Lightning Saga Legion at all Maybe this is another universe Legion that knew about the Lightning Saga and used that to trick Superman into coming to the 30th century.
My theory is that these adventures take place much later than the lightning saga stories and that Earth's sun is that way because of what probably happend during The Crisis. I would say this "original" legion stories take place in after the battle with The Infinite Man.


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I'll certainly have to get that Grell cover.

Looks like Brainiac Five is back in the mix by this issue. Polar Boy too. And, could that be Lightning Lord that Dawnstar is toying with?

Still don't know who the other two bad guys could be.

Nice touch that they're fighting on an L.

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Looks like Brainiac Five is back in the mix by this issue. Polar Boy too. And, could that be Lightning Lord that Dawnstar is toying with?
Oh, I thought it was Element Lad in the middle but it's so danged hard to tell who's who. Assuming the guy Dawnstar is holding is Mekt (I took it to be LL at first), is this a clue he's the dark guy in the black robes -- because it sure looks like she's "unrobing" him. (But why would Mekt, an alien, be part of the "go home, aliens" Justice League?)

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I just went by the force field belt for Brainy. And it does seem an odd look and situation for Mekt; maybe it's actually a shapeshifter.

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You know, I was trying to find a villain who is connected both with the Legion AND Superman and who might have something to do with stellar powers that would explain the change in the sun. And there is one

Pulsar Stargrave!

Here's an excerpt from the entry in wiki:

A native of the planet Colu, Stargrave originally claimed to be the father of Brainiac 5. In later comics, Pulsar Stargrave was believed to be the original Brainiac[i], but this was never confirmed.

In appearance, Stargrave looks like an ordinary Coluan with no hair. At some point before the 30th Century Stargrave's body merged with that of a star as it went supernova, giving him [i]the ability to harness and control stellar energy.


Stargrave is an extremely powerful figure, on par with other Legion opponents such as Mordru and the Time Trapper. In his quest for galactic conquest he teamed up with Glorith, and often manipulated the Legion, especially Brainiac 5.


And the robot Brainy used to contact Superman is reminiscent of Brainiac. What do you think?

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Man! There is NO pleasing some people. And I thought I was a harsh critic.
lol

We're notorious for it.

So, I got my copy of Action late but at least I the got it. There's something wrong with this Superman. I'm betting that this is one of those alternate Earths. The origin's off, the coloring's off, the art's off, are these guys Qwardian or something?

Could it be that "The Three Legions" will be alternate Earth Legionnaires we've never actually seen before? That would be disappointing, I was hoping for different eras or "restore points" for various LSH versions. It would make us all happier to see the DnA Legion fight alongside the WnK Legion as well as filling out the story with pre-Crisis Legionnaires.

The "thousand years in the past" bit confuses me too. What does Superman's history have to do with a planetary civil war? Are we going to find out more about the farmer and the alien baby? Following Jor-El's example may not be such a good idea.
I mean, I may love the stories about King Arthur but I'm hardly going to bundle up my child and ship him off to England.

I almost feel like I'm reading a random issue of last year's Supergirl series...wtf?..

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Hopefully enough time has passed to fill in some gaps...

Here's the Alternate Cover -

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Here's the Grell cover for posterity (when the link no longer works) -

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Is it just me or does this Saturn Girl really look a lot like Anna Nichole Smith?..without the implants..

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I've always liked Grell, but I will admit that cover does look a little bit too busy.


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Having seen some of his pencils I'd really love to see this cover without the inks. At least it IS busy, I always hated the empty backgrounds in so much of Mike Grell's art.

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I liked the story but admit was taken back with some stuff.

The Clark/Legion meeting was certainly too much of a difference. I am one of the ones defending Geoff's "original" Legion comment but will no longer do so.

As for Gary Frank? I like him but don't love him. I agree with Pariscub that he draws crazy eyes on everybody! Don't love the new costumes but don't hate them either. If this version of the Legion gets their own comic I would certainly like new costumes.

What won me over? It's somewhat like the PC Legion. We haven't seen the "original" anything from DC in decades. It's not the original JSA, JLA, Superman, Batman or Wonder Woman. I just hope there are not too many retcons with this Legion.

The characters in this story are some of my favorites. Colossal Boy, Wildfire and Dawnstar!

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I was confused about the changes to Dawnstar and Wildfire. From the story, these Legionnaires are only slightly more than six months removed from the Lightning Saga. So it seem weird that Dawnstar's and Wildfire's looks would have changed so much. I hope they don't change every Legionnaire's look after using the silver age looks to convince the readers that this is the same as the pre-boot Legion.
I love Wildfire's look actually! Kudos to Frank on him. One of the best Wildfire's I've seen.

Colossal Boy? Eh. What do they have against the headgear. smile Dawnstar? There isn't much you can do with her costume but all the lines and stuff? eh.

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