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Yes, LaRoque and Lightle were the greatest in the Baxter series. Lightle though is a Legion mega-fan and that's why he even drew very distinct facial characteristics for every Legionnaire. I couldn't believe that he went to all this "trouble"! And his last Legion issue - the one featuring Umbra in the DnA run - shows that he's stil "got it".

Anyways, there may very well be a new artist out there who'll be the next <add favorite Legion artist name>.

Considering this f***ed up cover, you really have to wonder why DC would go to the trouble and make this "artist" go DC-exclusive......

He reminds me of all those forgotten 90s Marvel artists like Bill Jaaska (New Titans) whose art was so horrible to behold, it was an insult to the fans to even publish this stuff. Back then, you got the feeling that TPTB just did not care about the fans. I do not want to live through another example of that.

Scott Kolins is one of the best artists in the industry. I think you guys are being hypercritical for no reason. I looked at cover you've been talking about, and that looks nothing like Kolins' art. Are you sure he did that cover? (EDIT: Nevermind, I see his name there. It still doesn't look like his usual art... but I do like it better than the Calero covers)

And if you don't think Kolins can do large action scenes, you should check out the Flash: Crossfire trade.

Anyway, I'm hoping that one of those projects Geoff is working on is the "Legion of Three Worlds" story. That would be fun and there have been hints that we'll see it next year. And is it too much to hope that that is the project Perez is leaving Brave and the Bold for (after #12)?

I never thought Jaaska's work was that bad; just bland. You know, it was just there . Nothing about it ever jumped out at you.

Newsarama has an interview with new Action artist Gary Frank .

Besides a covershot, it's got sketches of 3 Legion ladies too!!

Had a look at that. The artwork is lovely. But Shadow Lass looks more like a porn star than a super heroine! I know her costumes have traditionally been on the skimpy side but this is ridiculous. She's virtually naked! And those shoes with those 6 inch heels? Again, it looks like something a woman on a porn website would wear. Not appropriate.

Not because I'm prudish about sex, but I do object to women being objectified.

The other sketches are better. But why do Lydda and Ayla both have to have heels? Ayla in particular has always struck me as a sensible shoes kind of girl, but that's just me!

Someone really ought to tell Gary Frank that *gasp* women's shoes with flat heels *do* exist!

Artists that put all women characters in high heels piss me off. Long standing peeve of mine. Not all women like or want to wear heels dammit!

I totally agree that high-heeled boots are inappropriate for a variety of reasons. Objectification issues aside, I also think that it would be very hard to run and fight in high-heeled boots, too.

Who needs to run when you have a Legion Flight Ring?

For that matter, who needs to push the tush when you have a Legion Flight Ring? Why do any of them walk? Are there no-flight rules inside the clubhouse? Tenz would just have so much fun with a flight ring.

So, a scan of this terrible cover?

I loved Kollins' work on Flash. His Gorrila Grod issue stands as one of my all time favorites. I've left that issue on the night stand and stared at that art for days.


on another note, a story behind Shady's crotch armor I think is warranted. Something else else, maybe like an achilles "heal" kind of story from ancient Talak.


time "sphere?"

[EDIT: Bri, there's a locally hosted, non-bandwidth stealing copy of this already posted here . ]

While high heels on superheroines are impractical I don't believe that high heels define any kind of "obejctification" of women, any more than not drawing "anatomically correct" superheroes in tights is any kind of "castration".

Skimpy outfits may be appropriate for some heroines and not appropriate for others, imho. And showing some skin does not also make them porn stars, any more than a skimpy decorative high fashion swimsuit makes a woman "immoral".

I understand Infectious Drura's reservations on the matter, but I don't think they apply here.
What a person wears doesn't necessarily say anything about their morality or character or ideas unless that person explicitly makes all of the above known through words, actions and motives.
In porn sites the "motive" of wearing high heels and skimpy outfits - or lack thereof - is quite different than a superheroine's 1000 years in the future.

After all, if a person from 1907 saw a girl wearing jeans and a t-shirt he/she might very well consider that clothing extremely inappropriate.
While concerns for the objectification of women, sexual or otherwise are most certainly valid even today, I believe the time has passed when women showed their need for emancipation through what they wore. That was a valid way of "protest" in past decades, but I don't believe it says much today.

I think the costumes are lovely and modern and visually pleasing, artistically speaking. I prefer complex designs on costumes - I'm interested in futuristic costume design - so I wouldn't like to see *all* Legion ladies wearing futuristic style swimsuits - or high heels - but completely "individual" costumes like they used to have. If some of them are skimpy or even too skimpy, I think it's alright to have them. Covering every inch of male or female heroes' body in body gloves is a little boring.
I loved the new Dawnstar costume because it's very individualized, faithful to the old one (in this case that's a good thing, imho) and it's less skimpy than the old one.

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What do you have against this Shadow Lass sketch - is virtually the same costume she wore for a decade... before that rather terrible black one which hid all her hair made her look like a future nun later on

I never was much into her character, never could get interested in a blue woman somehow But that costume sketch - it's a classic!

I think that the Night Girl sketch with the owlish pattern in front is rather funny, but I don't know if it's meant to be funny Can't wait to see the Action storyline, I'm really excited about all the old things reappearing...

As for woman wearing sexy costumes: Yeah well, of course, that never made sense. But this is comics - super hero comics to boot - and it's always been about colourful, skimpy costumes until the 80s. Now mix the costumes with a good story - wonderful!

I just read the first issue of Action.

And wow in the Adventure 247 redux, Imra's much more of a hussy now than she was 50 years ago. I heartily approve.

The scenes in the future does have a bit of a 5YL feel to them.

WILDFIRE! Woohoo - I wasn't expecting to see him again so soon. Not really crazy about the design, but better that than nothing at all (and from what little we've seen, he does seem like the same ol' Drake. Wonder if that's still supposed to be Red Tornado's body.

I'm really liking the art here. It's better than when Frank was on Supreme Power and the coloring is amazing (minor errors aside - I was wondering what "liens go home" was til I found the outline of the "A")

Brainiac 5's "attention getting device" was a bit showy though fun. Very convenient though that the screen just happened to be in the face where Superman ripped it open.

And I thought Superman was able to store yellow sun energy in his body even under a red sun. I can maybe understand his hand being less invulnerable, but he should still be able to fly on his own.

Could somebody post a page or a couple of panels from Action featuring the "new" Legion, for those of us who have to wait 1-2 weeks till we get the magazine, please?

I don't have a scanner, so I'm sorry.

I really liked the story and am looking forward to this arc. I agree that Saturn Girl is a bit more of a bombshell than in the early years.

I loved the two-page spread with the Adventure-era legion, but did catch the error of having Ferro Lad and Timber Wolf in the same picture. Also, Chemical King is not in the picture and Triplicate Girl is shown, even though she was Duo Damsel by the time Timber Wolf joined.

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OH! Oh, thank you Nightcrawler! Oh, God they are...amazing!
I've got half a mind to get on a plane, go to England and buy it today...(unfortunately I also have half a wallet).

That last scan gives me the impression that that Legion may well be the "Best of All Worlds".

The cover looks even better on real live paper than the online images. A powerful image that really jumps out at you from the rack at the comic book shop.

My reactions to the interior images are mixed. Cosmic Boy and Lightning Lad work for me. Saturn girl doesn't look right for some reason.
Colossol Boy's new look is great.Dawnstar and Wildfire, eh, not so much.

The issue only furthers the debate on whether this can honestly be called the "original" Legion, or if it is yet another reboot/reimagining. This is not the story that appeared in Adventure #247. It has a lot of the elements of that story, but some important differences. I'm in the "this is not the original" camp. Fortunately, I'm not in the "if I don't get the original back I'm going to hold my breath until I turn blue and never buy another DC comic as long as I live" camp. The story has my interest. I'm curious as to why Earth now has a red sun, and anxious to see where this all goes.

Well, obviously Earth's sun was never red in the "original" Legion, so that says a lot about "this" Legion's world.

Neither am I. This Legion seems "close" to the original and since a big part of the continuity of the original Legion- whichever that is - "happened" in this one, and the characters are also "close" to the original, I'm satisfied.

I was confused about the changes to Dawnstar and Wildfire. From the story, these Legionnaires are only slightly more than six months removed from the Lightning Saga. So it seem weird that Dawnstar's and Wildfire's looks would have changed so much. I hope they don't change every Legionnaire's look after using the silver age looks to convince the readers that this is the same as the pre-boot Legion.

Or are the new looks a hint that maybe this is not the Lightning Saga Legion at all Maybe this is another universe Legion that knew about the Lightning Saga and used that to trick Superman into coming to the 30th century.

It is unusual for all/most Legionnaires to get new costumes simultaneously, but it's happened before.
In the late Baxter issues they all got new costumes designed by Computo.
You know. The ones with the humongous shoulder pads and dozens of pockets you could carry an entire household in.

In any case, it looks like 2008 (3008) is going to be a huge year for the Legion. I can't wait!!!