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Yeah, Widmore purchased Magnus Hanso's journal. I was wondering though if there wasn't some sort of subtle clue that Magnus Hanso is to Jonas Whitfield as Alvar Hanso is to Charles Widmore, or something like that.

So here's my question, where the Hell was the Black Rock going, that it ended up in the middle of the Pacific?

Richard was bought as a slave from the Canary Islands, which are to the North West in Africa in the Atlantic. Obviously no one would sell/use white slaves in North America, so presumably it was South America they were headed to, and the easiest route would be to just cross the Atlantic.

I know the Islands' location is permeable, but that that include jumping Oceans? Would they really have gone to Asia Pacific? Are there any instances of white slaves being used there?

The best theory I've seen on this is that M. Hanso's expedition was intentionally headed towards the island, as kind of an early version of the Dharma intitiative. Thus they needed particularly educated slaves to work for them.

I wonder if in the flash sideways reality, where the island is under water, could MIB be free and therefore even though everything looks wonderful and great in this reality....it will soon go horribly wrong.

Ooh, I like that idea a lot better!

Solid episode tonight!

Interesting reveal about Kate, and an interesting flash-sideways (one that looks like it will lead us back to the hospital).

Nice to see <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Desmond</span></span> back!

Yeah, "who/what is in the locked room of the sub?" was the most predictable Lost secret since "Who's the spy on the freighter?", but it's not that bad because we get them back on the show.

I don't think I've thrown my theory out on these boards yet: I think at some point the Losties become aware of their "Sideways" lives and get to choose between the two lives. The only one who doesn't choose Sideways, stays on the island and becomes the new Jacob.

Interesting theory. I like it.

Me too. I've considered the idea of them having to choose between island and sideways lives, but never considered the connection to the "new Jacob".

So far though it looks like really only Jack has a better life in the sideways version; everyone else's alternate realities aren't much better (or worse). Naturally, then, it'd be Jack that chooses to make the sacrifice and stay (if that theory was true and following the nature of the show).

Great episode. Like rouge said, no surprise on the reveal but nice nonetheless. Of course, now I'm super-worried my remaining living favorite, Desmond, might not live through the series after all.

I really, really liked the Jack / Sun scenes. They've been together through quite a lot on this show. It felt like for the first time in awhile, Jack was actually the old Jack--like he was in the opening episodes of the series (pre-drug binge and pre-losing it all the time). I think he's really come full circle in regaining his belief in himself, but with the progression in believing in faith, like Locke.

6 more episodes to go? It's hard to fathom!

Yeah, I was happy with where Des was. His presence on the island can only lead to bad things, I'm afraid.

I wouldn't say that, although I think that some of the sideways character ironically don't know their lives could be worse.

Locke - Alive and has a relationship with his dad.
Sawyer - is on the right side of the law and has a friend in Miles to help him deal with the "Sawyer" issue.
Jack - has a son he loves (even if he has a hard time connecting)
Kate & Claire - still unfolding, but they've found each other.
Ben - makes good choices instead of ambitious ones, he's miserable but is a good man (and has a relationship with his dad).
Hurley - Is the "Luckiest Guy on Earth"
Sayid is the only one with arguably no change, although Sideways Sayid hasn't sold his soul.

Now Sun & Jin are interesting. On the one hand they have a happier relationship that Pre-Crash S&J even though they aren't married. But obviously whether or not the baby makes it is going to be a determining factor.

Assuming Kate was telling the truth (a big assumption, mind you), then she didn't actually kill her father in the sideways timeline.

I've missed the discussions so far, but I think this season has been very good so far (although I think I'm in the minority in not enjoying the Richard centered episode at all.)

I agree about the Sun/Jack scenes, it was nice to see Jack at his best for once. I also enjoyed simply having the whole cast appear in an episode for the first time in several episodes. Everyone had at least a line, hurrah!

Anybody else figure alt-Sun will wind up in the hands of either Jack or possibly even an alt-Juliet?

Maybe Ethan? Bringing her into contact with Claire?

I still believe that eventually the Flash Sideways universe is going to go wrong. The island is under water, MIB is probably free and i believe they will eventually address what is the result of the island being sunk.

FLocke needs three more people...why?

For some reason, he has to have all of the candidates. He can't kill them, presumably, but perhaps he needs them to support his leaving for him to get off the island? Or maybe he can kill them once off the island?

Interesting problem: If MiB can't leave the island, and MiB = Christian, then how did Christian show up off-island? Both on the freighter, and in Jack's flash-forwards?

So far there's nothing other than circumstantial evidence that MiB = Christian. Right now, I'm leaning towards him not being MiB. The other way makes the most sense, though. Maybe MiB can manifest off-island somewhat, but only as an apparition? Hopefully, Christian will be explained somewhere in the remaining episodes.

Claire seemed to think of them as distinct, while certainly realizing the MiB wasn't really Locke. That could be the MiB's manipulation, but...

I think some appearances of Christian were MiB and some weren't, as he really does seem to be at cross purposes on a few things otherwise.

So if MIB gets all the Candidates off the island, he's free? That means he came awful close when the Oceanic Six left and Locke followed them (leaving only Sawyer and possibly Jin). Obviously he still would need to kill Jacob, but he was closer to his goal then than now and nobody knew it.

The way I'm understanding it, it works like this:

Jacob halts MiB from leaving island. If Jacob is dead, a candidate can take Jacob's place and halt MiB from leaving island. Thus, MiB has eliminated Jacob and now must eliminate "future Jacob's" so he can leave.

In other words, it didn't matter who was on the island when Jacob was alive. It's only important the candidates are there now because Jacob is dead.

Jacob, of course, understood all along he would eventually be killed. He's been planning for his replacement.

This theory would suggest the MiB had the goal of getting/keeping the candidates off the island, while anything bringing them back would be Jacob's doing. I'm not sure if that can be sustained.

Any theores on why Kate's name would no longer be on the wall?

Flocke lied. He hesitated before saying anything...

There's a difference between the lighthouse and the cave. Kate's name isn't crossed out at the lighthouse, but it's absent/crossed out at the cave.

Assuming the cave is actually MiB's. This suggests he may not know Kate's still a Candidate, which could be an important point later on.