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It'll be kinda like "Legion of Three Worlds"...

Lardi I was asking my friends that all day today... how did Locke end up in the chair? Obviously he and his father reconciled enough for John and Helen to invite him to the wedding. So did Cooper still scam Sawyer's parents?

I wouldn't say this episode moved slow at all. We got Sawyer noticing the difference in UnLocke. He learns a bit more about why our favourite Losties are on the island in the first place. (Well everyone but Kate) And we find out what Illana and Bram meant when they referred to Frank as a "candidate."

The blonde boy in the jungle still has me baffled. And dammit if Sun doesn't slug someone and get some answers soon...

I enjoyed Tues episode, far more interesting then last weeks show.
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">I think the kid is an entity like Jacob and Man in Black, maybe there are many of them, and maybe this "group" watch whats playing out and comment and thus are the whispers, just a theory.</span></span>

I suppose we're supposed to assume that the various changes in the Losties lives in the flash-sideways are due to the island being destroyed in the 1970s.

Perhaps the differences in timelines in part reveal how much the Losties lives were manipulated by Jacob?

As for the kid, I originally thought it was somehow an apparition of Jacob as a child. Now, I'm wondering if it's somehow an older Aaron? The blonde hair is what makes me wonder, and I recall Claire's original flashbacks which imply there's something special about him. But who (not named Cuse or Lindelof) knows?

I think Aaron is special in the same way Walt was, or Ben was at a young age, or even Locke when he was a kid - a possible leader for the Others.

I did think the blonde boy was either Aaron or a manifestation of Jacob, much like the smoke monster is of UnLocke

Hmmm... tonight's episode confirmed my longheld suspicion that Sarah Palin is working for Jacob!

I thought it was a great episode. Even though mega-Lost fans (people who know Lost well enough to post about it on the internet) have absolutely kept "Adam & Eve" in mind all these years, it was a good way to remind the casual viewer of their existance.

Jacob's plan for Jack wasn't exactly a shocker but it was still great to see his manipulations happen. I hope Hurley's conversation with him towards the end of the episode actually sticks--in other words, Jacob is up front with Hurley about his plans from now on; of course, Hurley doesn't like "lying" so that should be a nice internal struggle for Hurley.

Of all the alternate universe storylines, I felt this one was the best. It was the most moving by far. And while I still wish they didn't take up all that time, I have faith the alternate universe will pay off and I trust the Lost creators to do their job without me deciding how the final season of Lost should run. That being said, some of them have been tough to get through when I'm so much more interested in what's happening on the island. This one, I felt was a very strong showing. But even at is most over-exposed, Jack has always had some of the best episodes.

Claire is off her rocker like Rousseau was--again, not a shocking revelation at episode's end but a good time getting us there. It also completes the train of thought most of us probably had: Christian helping Claire, now Claire revealed to have been interacting with the Man in Black; its very likely Christian was working with the Man in Black the whole time. Yet, I don't want to confirm that because they could just as easily show Christian worked on behalf of Jacob against the Man in Black. But that latter theory seems less likely.

My brother-in-law has a theory that it was Rousseau taht was infected and not her companions. I'm not sure if that is possible given what we saw, but its interesting.

I think the people coming to the island must be the final elements of the show that need to be there: Aaron, specifically, but also Widmore. There is still much to be told/done with Widmore. I wouldn't be surprised if Walt was there too (or Penny & Des but they're story appears to have been completed thematically).

Next week looks like it should be crazy. I've kept telling my wife, whose only watched the last two seasons "live", that you have to be patient. Lost seasons always begin like this...the first 4-5 episodes have a slow burn and then around 5/6 things explode, usually with a minor turning point (see: Season 3, Season 5).

the island isnt done with Desmond yet, i betcha thats who is coming. I liked seeing a timeline where jack had a son.

While Widmore/Mrs. Hawking, etc., seem like the obvious candidates for the ones who are coming, the other possibility is the it refers to the alt-timeline Losties. An interesting question is whether the mirror was actually showing Jack his own house, or the house in the alt-timelines. It would kind of fit in with the Alice in Wonderland reference in the episode if the mirror were a doorway between realities.

its desmond, the island isnt finished with him yet

I enjoy watching this show from week to week. I do not really try to figure out what is going on...and love the surprises that I get along the way.

So who the hell was the mother of Jack's son? From what I saw, there was nary a clue! David looks to be somewhere in the range of a 7-9th grader, so he'd be 13-16 years old? I don't think there's a chance the mother is Sarah unless they met much, MUCH earlier in this timeline. And we don't know jack ( )about any earlier loves he had before her. In any case Jack has had a significantly different life in this timeline at least with regard to his being a father. I don't know whether to obsess too much about the mother's identity (or if we'll ever even learn it) because I don't know if it will be of big importance, if any, to how this "sideways" storyline unfolds.

Hmm... I just assumed it was Sarah, but you're right that the timeline just doesn't match up.

Yeah, Lostpedia says Jack operated on her in 2001. So they weren't married long at all before everything hit the rocks.

They sure made a big deal about the appendectomy scar, eh? We know he had it taken out on the island by Juliet in the regular timeline, but here he supposedly had it taken out when he was a kid. This makes me wonder if this timeline somehow isn't complete on its own as there've been other hints of same, like Claire knowing Aaron's name instinctively. Weird.

I'm trying to remember how important Jack's on-island appendectomy was to the plot. Did it take him out at a crucial moment? Enough that Jacob's manipulations would have prevented him from having it taken out as a kid so that he would have to have it taken out on the island?

Having watched that episode a couple of weeks ago (as part of the Season 4 DVD which I've only recently gotten around to finish watching after watching half of it last summer), I don't remember it feeling all that crucial at the point when it happened. I remember afterwards Jack and the others pursued the helicopter carrying Keemy and the other mercs in their mission to the Orchid. Jack's wound bled but didn't really hamper him. I guess he eventually got the wound treated aboard Penny's boat, though I don't think that was shown on-camera.

So unless I missed anything, the only significance is that the appendectomy, which happened on the island, happened much earlier in Jack's life. The fact that he couldn't remember it and felt confusion when he noticed the scar is its own significance, I guess.

That's actually the second time that Jack has that sort of bodily confusion this season. During the season opener, on the airplane, he went into the bathroom and, looking in the mirror, seemed confused by some sort of cut mark on his neck.

Also, Jack recognized Desmond on the plane. I'd have to double-check, but I think I read somewhere that Jack's neck may have been bleeding before the Jughead was set off.

All of which makes it seem that something is not right in the alternate timeline. Obviously, we know these are not how events were supposed to play out, but the timeline really seems dependent on the other, subservient even, with its on internal logic not quite holding up.

All of which begs some questions about the Incident itself. What was supposed to happen at the Swan site if not the Jughead being set off? How would Dharma have gotten the electromagnetic energy under control? They certainly didn't seem prepared to do anything to correct it when it started. Would it have subsided for awhile naturally giving them some time to correct the problem?

I think most of us thought the Jughead detonation had always happened as part of the Incident, but the creation of the new timeline would seem to contradict that. Perhaps the alternate timeline was created in the first place when the island was moved and our Losties time travelled, rather than with Jughead's detonation? Or maybe at the moment of the donkey wheel being turned, the destroyed island of the Incident was switched with the one of an alternate timeline, hence the Island being underwater?

Wow. Lots of questions, very few answers! That's Lost for ya! Ow, my head!

Jack and Desmond may still have met at the Stadium, though.

Ach! That's right! Though Jack knew where he'd seen Desmond before when he met him in the hatch. Of course, Desmond had his attention a bit more there!

Going back to the really out-there part of my last post:


Obviously, if the Island was moved through time, it would have obviously been moved through space as well, or it would have still been there, right? What if it was still there, albeit underwater, because of the above scenario? I dunno. I've always wondered about the time/space thing since the beginning of season 5, and this whole alternate timeline thing has me going back to that and throwing wild-and-probably-totally-wrong hypotheses out there.

Any other alt-timeline/Incident pet theories you guys have?

Another thing that has bothered me about the events post-donkey wheel is that it's pretty obvious that the Island did not travel in time, at least not with the Losties. In fact, apparently only the Losties and the allies they made time-travelled with the evidence we have. There's no evidence that any of the Others time-travelled. So why did the Losties time-travel, and what happened to the Island when it disappeared? Did it move in space while the Losties moved in time? Did it somehow space and time travel elsewhere/when while the Losties only time-travelled? Is the actual explanation even weirder than those possibilities? And is the explanation somehow related to what we're now seeing with the two timelines?

What? Nobody with a theory or opinion out there?

Ester?

When the island disappeared it moved in space and not in time, that was an after effect that the losties had as a result of the island being moved. Remember when the freighter was just off the island and then when desmond arrived he started to (mentally)time travel, same effect as the losties when the island moved except on a larger scale seeing that the mind and body time travelled.

Okey dokey. Just watched yesterdays episode...did not see that coming.

Great episode. Wow. Weird stuff off the island (who runs into who and how), Did not see the Sayid thing and the Temple thing happening.