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Originally posted by deanlegion: Originally posted by Tromium Crystal:
[b] deanlegion, this is exactly what I mean about subverting character continuity and contradicting common sense. Pre-TM, Garth was manipulated by the Time Trapper and the Luck Lords, all of whom had intimate knowledge of his past life but saw not a hint of the Proty persona. The near-omniscient Darkseid targeted him and his family as his personal victims but never sensed that Garth was someone other than he claimed to be. Garth had a nervous breakdown and still no Proty emerged, nor did his telepathic wife see anything alien when she entered his subconscious. Neither his sister nor his brother even suspected that something was amiss (despite the retcon dialog you quoted). Finally, never in the 30 years prior to this "revelation" had Garth ever done, said or thought anything that even remotely suggested that an inhuman mind had possessed his body.
In other words, the Bierbaums deliberately sabotaged the efforts of previous creators for shock value, turning heroes into liars in order to titillate jaded Legion fans with unexpected twists. They did not care about the characters we came to love and admire. There was nothing "clever" about it because it made not an iota of sense. And don't get me started on their equally absurd treatment of Sun Boy. Imo, the Bierbaums were a canker sore on Legion continuity. I agree with your assessment that the reboot, for all its problems, came not a moment too soon. UH, I'm pretty sure that comment by TC is not true. I've recently read through the late 200's up to TMK and recall I think Darkseid saying Garth was not what he seemed. I'll have to look again but maybe someone else also remembers.
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Originally posted by Tromium Crystal:
Pre-TM, Garth was manipulated by the Time Trapper and the Luck Lords, all of whom had intimate knowledge of his past life but saw not a hint of the Proty persona. One interesting point is that the Luck Lords story was based on the notion that Garth's death would cause some sort of cosmic disaster. If we accept that Garth really died and it was Proty all along, then the Luck Lords should have gotten what they wanted.
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Good one, EDE. I'll add it to the list.
Blockade Boy, Darkseid appeared IIRC on three separate occasions before the Bierbaums came on board: The Great Darkness Saga (including v1 Annual #3), v3 Annual #2 and The Quiet Darkness story of 1991. I've read all but the last and recall no such reference. If you don't find it in The Quiet Darkness (a story that doesn't appear to include Garth), I can't imagine where it would be.
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Originally posted by Tromium Crystal: Funny how controversial a little dose of Profem can be.  Unreported side effect. Recall that drug!
Holy Cats of Egypt!
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Ugh! Yes, Profem has a way of bringing out all kinds of.... stuff. Best to be taken when really, REALLY neccessary....
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Originally posted by Tromium Crystal:
Good one, EDE. I'll add it to the list.
Blockade Boy, Darkseid appeared IIRC on three separate occasions before the Bierbaums came on board: The Great Darkness Saga (including v1 Annual #3), v3 Annual #2 and The Quiet Darkness story of 1991. I've read all but the last and recall no such reference. If you don't find it in The Quiet Darkness (a story that doesn't appear to include Garth), I can't imagine where it would be. I keep telling myself to take notes on things I notice on re-reads. It was definitly one of the biggee bad guys making comment about Garth that made me think he knew about Proty. It's one of those one-liners that means nothing if when you read through the first time. Kind of like now, I've just been reading the issues where Mon-El just won't die and no-one can explain. Of course, we all know why because of what happens in future issues.
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