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star trek needs a break. More importantly get Berman and Brannon out of there. Get back the guy from Battlestar. Trek needs new blood to lead it to the future and not two huge egos that want to micro manage everything.

They need to hire the Reeves-Stevens who have been doing a few episodes this year. That husband wife team did some of the best Trek novels around.

agreed. How about get the best authours and let them do smaller two-three eposide arcs that fit into a larger picture. Like the gateways books or section 31 books. That could work.

Star Trek at this point reminds me of the James Bond franchise - it's a great and timeless premise that can fit every generation, but is being creatively stifled by those in charge who are holding onto old formats and formulas that are choking the life out of the property.

I was excited by "Enterprise" at first, but then they fell into the same old stories and conflicts and I don't even watch it anymore. They really should've turned it into a more serious drama a la "Space: Above and Beyond" or something. I never woulda thought it, but the new "Battlestar" is doing much better than "Star Trek" these days.

I agree with all of you. I'm a closet Star Trek fan. It's amazing how many people loved the Next Generation.

Battlestar Galatica is cooler than Star Trek. They need a new view/look for the entire series.

As for the films? I would hire Peter Jackson or Luc Besson or someone quite mad to just do something crazy with the films. Maybe create new characters just for the films, etc.

what but??, Jolene Blaylocke's got no A$$ at all!!
it's a shame though to see the show end like this. i've always felt that the later Trek series got better after the 3rd season. TNG,DS9, and even Voyager (IMO)got better after the 3rd season.

Y'know, now that I think about it, I did lose interest in every Trek series (TNG, DS9, Voyager) around season two then got back into it later (probably season three). It didn't happen with Enterprise though and I have tried watching some of the recent shows.

deep space nine and voyager definately didnt get better til the 3rd and 4th season. i couldnt stand DS9, it was a series that seemed to be ultra boring and i didnt anticipate each weeks episode, til the war began then the show kicked into gear

They try to be too nice, peaceful, and lovey dovey. It's too...antiseptic.

Star Trek needs to get a little dirty to get some fans back. It needs some real fights. It needs to get beyond the "Humans have evolved into really rational people that sip latte's and talk about their feelings."

The original Star Trek had a little raunch to it. These latest shows have been a little boring. And i am including ST:TNG. But, those are only my opinions.

Well, T'Pol is a hottie and I watch ENTERPRISE whenever I happen to come across it. But I'm a Kirk/Spock/Uhura/Scotty/Bones/Dead guy in red shirt Trekker mainly.

DS9 was the only spin-off that I watched and enjoyed regularly. TNG didn't quite do it for me although it did have its high points. Voyager, to me, was a waste of tape. That was the most boring Trek show.

I only was able to catch a few episodes of Enterprise because of Larry Miller's bigotry (long story but he dropped UPN because he said it was too urban) before the last season. I would liked to have been able to see it from the start.

Maybe the next time we'll get something better. And that something may be written by Peter David. He just finished his first draft of a screenplay for "Gene Roddenberry's Starpoint Academy." He intends it to be a feature movie but I think it might stand a better chance of being a new series.

For now I'm going to settle for Star Trek: TAS that I've just gotten my hands on. I'm only missing one episode.

Starpoint's got no more to do with Star Trek than Andromeda has.

You're definitely right sbout TNG and DS9, though I don't know about Voyager since I didn't last half a season with that.

Trek fans have been pretty loyal over the years. Most people would just bolt from a series that they thought was weak, but Trek fans have hung on, hoping things will improve.

That's helped keep shows on the air, but in a way, it's hurt the franchise. If you've got that kind of loyalty, you have less impetus to improve.

Maybe the comparatively early cancellation of Enterprise will finally send the message.

Same here. Next Generation I watched faithfully but it got really good after Tasha died? I ferget exactly when but about probably the 3rd/4th season?

Voyager didn't do much for me and towards the end I started digging it. Ds9 the same. First few years i didn't care for it much...later i did. This current Enterprise hadn't gotten to that point yet. I watch a few episodes and never really go back to it. ohwell.

I agree with when "TNG" started getting good.

With "Voyager", I thought the most watchable thing about it was the cast chemistry - they seemed to gell early on.

I thought "DS9" suffered from that lack of comraderie amongst the cast as a whole. They seemed like a collection of smaller cliques to me. I blame that on the writers not giving Sisko a more central leading role (and no conference room scenes of Sisko acting like their leader).

I thought "DS9" suffered from that lack of comraderie amongst the cast as a whole. They seemed like a collection of smaller cliques to me. I blame that on the writers not giving Sisko a more central leading role (and no conference room scenes of Sisko acting like their leader).

See, that's why I think DS9 is still my favorite, narrowly beating TNG. That whole "close-knit crew, all buds, worships the captain" was done to death with TOS, the films, and TNG. Each of the DS9 characters had a fairly rich backstory, threads and subplots that would go on for the whole season, motivations, and relationships that were not necessarily happy and clean. I liked that. For instance, I thought DS9 gave a MUCH more realistic view of what it would be like to work with a Klingon. Worf on TNG was just a person with Klingon accents--Worf on DS9 was prickly, hard to get along with sometimes, NOT close to many other members of the crew, but still recognizable as Worf. O'Brien was constantly dealing with the problems of keeping your family in a war zone. We finally had a captain who had a real life outside of BEING THE CAPTAIN--a family, a steady love/later wife, involvement in religious politics. You almost never knew how Kira would react from show to show and situation to situation. I find those situations more interesting and rewarding to watch than another "damn, isn't Captain Kirk/Picard/Janeway just fracking brilliant? I'd never want to serve on another ship!"

All the Star Trek franchise really needs is the same thing the Legion needed--to hand it over to someone talented who has the freedom to pursue things a little differently. The last thing it needs is another in-house guy who's going to recreate the "Wagon Train in Space" paradigm.

In retrospect, the original Star Trek really managed to capture and reflect on the time it was made. It was a Kennedy-esque "new frontier" concept (complete with a healthy helping of womanizing) with white men helping the world/universe be a better place. At the same time, it DID serve as a beacon of hope that all the racial/political/economic/sexual strife of the 1960s could ultimately work out okay. Likewise, the first few movies were good reminders to the Boomers who watched the original series that family and friends mattered more than career and power.

The thing I enjoyed most about TNG were those episodes where Picard (or Data, or Riker, or Worf) learned some important truth, despite being such highly-evolved know-it-alls.

While DS9 and Voyager no doubt had some good work, they just didn't do much for me. I have tried to watch Enterprise, but keep forgetting about it. I genuinely liked the recent Vulcan arc, but haven't watched since.

I agree that the franchise needs a fresh start. I dare say it probably needs a reboot, so that it can reconnect genuinely with the fears and hopes of a contemporary audience.

I agree that's interesting too. Uunfortunately, the individual stories just didn't resonate with me as much as those in say, "Babylon 5" which was all over the place with many different stories.

I think the Trek universe may have to jump ahead a hundred years to become interesting again - something to allow for a real paradigm shift and get away from the same old stuff with the Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons, etc... I thought "Enterprise" was a good way to do that, to bring back that sense of wonder in space as "the final fontier", with interesting conflicts and challenges but we ended up with the old "new race with different foreheads" every episode and getting involved with interplanetary politics.

I also have to agree that DS9 characters were interesting individually. I seem to get into years after when Sisko seem to have grown some spheres telling them biyatches what to do.

Agree with double chinner that a new series should reflect our current times more and not follow the Trek style guideline since TNG. (Though enterprise did reflect current things a bit I admit. But the characters didn't do much for me. TPol getting sick in a t-top and panties did lots though)

Carried over from the Battlestar Galactica thread on a discussion about John Colicos.

The answer is finally coming up and it has something to do with Data's daddy!

Well, when the Klingon conundrum is solved, someone please post.

The answer is:

The Klingons of Kirk’s era all look different because they’ve started injecting each other with Arik Soong’s Augment DNA.

Actually, they killed off Tasha 2/3 of the way through the first season.

TNG had a terrible first season, an okay second season, then, in the third season, the writers finally figured out what they were doing. There's still a few missteps in the later seasons, but by and large that's some great television.

DS9 was pretty much the same way. It took about three seasons for the writers to figure the characters and the setting out enough to write decent stories.

Voyager just sucked from start to finish. A couple of times in the later seasons I'd get sucked into an episode and think, as I was watching, "this isn't so bad; maybe they're finally settling into it." Then the episode would end and I'd find myself yelling at the screen in indignation at how badly the episode got resolved. God that show was terrible.

Enterprise has shown some improvement this season, particularly with the Vulcans finally acting like TOS Vulcans, but my problem is what it always has been: Scott Bakula is a giant canned ham. His style worked great for Quantum Leap, which was always a bit tongue in cheek anyways, but I have never bought that Earth would put this loose cannon in charge of their first warp-capable ship. I've never liked his character or his performance and it's soured the whole series for me. It's too bad too, cause I quite like some of the other characters and getting more insight into the Andorians and other Federation species is really kinda cool. Oh well.

Anyway, I'm glad they're taking a break. There's nearly twenty years between the end of TOS and the start of TNG. I hope we don't have to wait that long, but if that's what it takes to return ST to the greatness it deserves...

I still read all the DS9 novels. There was an actual cahnge in status quo when Sisko left for awhile. The charaters grew up and new characters were introduced that actually had an effect on everyone else.

Scott:

THAT seems like a massive cop-out.
Better they stuck to one fan-based explanation of there being a massive virus unleashed that disfigured the Klingons.

(However, maybe an antidote was found after TOS?)

I know it's tough to satisfy all the fans all the time. There were plenty of problems even with the prior series. But THIS excuse for the Klingons just seems to be a cheap excuse.

errrrrr ....
I should probably quit ranting, now.