Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Supergirl and the Legion #29 - Spoilers!

First point: no Waid, no Kitson. This issue is a Bedard and Sharpe production. I wonder if it's a fill-in, or if Waid and Kitson left early?

Second point: Mon-El's grouped with the Legion on the splash page.

Third point: We do get an explanation for the 'remember the fifty-two' thing. <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">See, the Dominion had a mutual non-aggression treaty with Earth. But then a few years ago Earth violated it, as far as the Dominion was concerned, when an Earthling suddenly appeared on the Dominion homeworld, stole an experimental weapon, and disappeared. It was, drum roll, Booster Gold, collecting weaponry for purposes best explained in the pages of 52. (I was amazed. Also not surprised.) Before disappearing, Booster said, "I have 52 worlds to save!"

The Dominion reacted with anger, believing that Earth had collected an alliance of 52 planets (in defiance of the nonaggression treaty) to go up against the Dominion. And that's why they're doing all this stuff to Earth.

Obviously, this supports the notion that the 'new' multiverse consists/will consist of 52 worlds.</span></span>

Fourth point: <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Not much fighting this issue. Most of the time is spent on Dominion backstory. Apparently one of the Dominion higherups has decided that the only way to beat humanity (which has always been their preoccupation) is to evolve superpowers like humans have. So he's manipulated this war so that humanity will come and trash the Dominion and create chaos, following which that super-Dominator subrace will take over from the effete regular Dominators, and in the long run the Dominion will benefit from it. Of course, once this comes out, the rest of the Dominion isn't too nuts about it, but the one guy does manage to release Sun Boy and his crowd (who link up with the Legion and Wanderers) before going down.</span></span>

Whew!

The Fourth point sounds similiar to what the Supreme Intelligence did in Galactic Storm.

Never mind that--it sounds a little similar to what Lemnos and Terror Firma were up to, not to mention the Legion itself (in its goals, anyway).

So, basically, this whole thing boils down to misunderstanding something BG said 1000 years ago.

Ugh.

Regarding the fourth point <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">It was the same Dominator who engineered the whole war who released Sun Boy & Company</span></span>

EDE: Not 1000 years ago; more like... I forget what the Dominator said. On the order of 20 years ago. Because of time travel.

Quislet: Yeah. That's what I said. Or what I meant, anyway.

Oh, that at least makes a little more sense.

But still, I would've hoped there was some deeper connection to '52' than that.

Well... depends on how you look at it.

If <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">'52' is, and was from the beginning, meant to refer to the number of worlds in the 'restored' multiverse, then this is a sensible way of having the Dominators refer to that. Because I don't want the Dominators traveling the multiverse and running into the Zoo Crew and stuff like that; let's keep them in their original universe.

And it is a deft bit of storytelling. After all, it implies that they knew a year ago that Booster would be traveling through time and space looking for useful gadgets, and wove that into the Legion's activities.</span></span> So I don't have a problem.

I'll have to read this for myself, but it all sounds stupid, pointless and could have all been told in one issue to me.

Ah, but you see

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">
The Dominators from their very first appearance were shown to be dimensional travellers.

It would make a lot of sense to me if they were also interested in being able to travel through the multiverse, or something like that.</span></span>

You know... that's how I feel about most comic storylines these days.

What, you mean the whole thing since Supergirl showed up? It was stretched out quite a bit but I wouldn't want to try telling the whole story in a single issue. You'd have to boil off a lot of good stuff to get it down to eight issues, I think.

So the non-agression treaty is from the end of the 1980s Invasion mini-series. The Dominion and Earth had peace for 1000 years until Booster Gold violated the treaty 12 Dominion cycles ago.

Also it's suggested that the superdominators are engineered using DNA from defeated members of Mekt's team. This story point is another take on the 'Caste Tension' between the leaders and mad scientists in the recent Dominator story in Green Lantern Corps. That story was nice and compact.

On a happy note Bedard's "A thousand years from now..." intro is quite amusing.

This issue confirms what I've suspected for quite some time. One of the reason S&LSH seemed to be dragging was becasue Waid was marking time to make the reveal in this issue fit in with 52's imminent conclusion.

Regarding the story itself...

It wasn't that bad actually, reads better than it sounds in summary. The artwork, however, is a letdown. Not trashing Sharpe but he's no Barry Kitson. The guys faces are all pretty much the same and lack much expression. The only one he seems able to draw as an individual is Sun Boy.

Not sure if it's a typo or intentional, but there are four heroes from Winath identified on the title page. <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Inferno, the girl in green is listed as a native of Winath along with Mekt, Garth, and Ayla, and is said to have gravity nullifying powers like Ayla. I don't recall that being her power in prior issues but I'll need to go back and check. My guess is they screwed up on this one.</span></span>

on page three, the perspective seems a bit off. Ultra Boy is shown in what I sure was meant to be a closeup, however he seems giant size. compare his size to every one else. for a second, I thought it was supposed to Micro Lad.

I thought the Legion part of the story was blah. I liked the 52 explaination though. I noticed the credits for Inferno too, I thought it was an error is all. Have Mon with the Legion this time though did throw me off...

What a piece of CRAP!!!!!

The artwork was HIDEOUS. The storyline a BORE.

We have 3 groups of multiple super-heroes at war with the Dominators and most of the issue is wasted on one Dominator.

I don't know when I've been this disappointed in a Legion story.

Oh and someone should tell the colorist that the Dominator's teeth look much more menacing when they are gleaming white...not the same color as their skin. This was probably just a time saving decision...which is what the entire issue felt like!

I can't believe that nobody's commented yet on the enticement blurb for next issue on the DC Nation page: "The end of an era is just a beginning!"

About the multiverse thing, though: if we do get stuck with the current Earth 1 Legion as the continuing focus of the book, won't it be nice that crossovers with other versions of the group could happen in the future from time to time, ala the JLA/JSA crossovers of yore? It would be some consolation, at least, to fans of the PC Legion.

I didn't like that the Legion seemed like guests in their own book.

I didn't like the art much, either.

This issue was ok, I actually kind of liked it from the Dominator's point of view, it explained the entire set up in one issue, however, we don't see much of the Legion, we only really see Cosmic Boy use his powers (major complaint I have with the 3boot is the lack of face time for various Legionnaires), and it seems like they won.

The Dominator's explanation explained how things tied with 52 (although I think multiverse, I think non-finate number of worlds), but the Dominator threat seems to be removed. With him releasing Sun Boy and the Dominators acting like they've already lost I don't see what else is left for the Legion to do. In fact, the rogue Dominator did more to save the day than any Legionnaire (well, last issue was pretty big for the Legion, but they did nothing this issue).

Also, the art...I didn't like Sharpe's work when he first filled in but I do think its better here, but it's only mediocore, and I think the Legion deserves better.

Last Gripe, Waid leaving. I thought Waid and Kitson were on through issue 30. Now for Kitson, I can see, what with Champions being solicited already, that he had to leave earlier than planned to work for his new bosses (which bites but I've seen it before with artists). Waid on the other hand, I felt he should have finished this arc, it feels like he just tossed this book, and the fans, aside. I know he probably had a lot of this plotted out for Bedard and stuff, but it still feels like he could care less at this point and was just glad to leave the book, which never makes a fan feel good.

all that said, this was still a good issue, I haven't been loving the Legion for awhile anyways, and hadn't been feeling this arc either so my expectations weren't high. I like the idea of telling us something from the Dominator's POV, but I felt like it should have only been half the issue, with the other half being the Legion actually doing something. and i hope they give us a better artist.

As usual, I completely agree with the Man from Cargg. What utter crap. This is what all the "buildup" has been about with the "remember the 52" garbage?

And I'm so over the whole "megalomaniac wants to destroy his own race/society to improve it schtick." They're even doing it on "Heroes."

Can we wrap this story line up immediately and move along please?

Thank God I also picked up JSA and JLA yesterday. As much as I would hate yet another Legion reboot, I have to admit it was awfully nice to see a glimpse of the "real Legion" again. And with a kickass artist showing them to us to boot. Why can't we have him [I forget his name] on Legion?

Okay, I haven't read Infinite Crisis but it sounds like they're reverting everything back to the way things were before Crisis, complete with a Superman who used to be a Legionnaire. I want to personally go to DC and kick whoever's ass it was who came up with that brilliant plan in the first place. 20+ years and God knows how many reboots later they finally decide it was a bad idea to fix something that wasn't broken. Now everything's such a confused mess I don't even want to try and figure it out.

While I definitely agree that seeing things from the villain's standpoint is good story material, and the Booster and Invasion references are not unwelcome tie-ins to the modern-day DCU, I still want an explanation of the early switch of creative teams and what this means for the next phase.

Sharpe and the inkers did a pretty decent job with the Dominators but his Legion characters are lacking, though not as bad as other fill-in artist teams who will not be named. Cos's torture at the hands of the Dominators evidently had the unpleasant side-effect of causing his hair to stand on end.

According to issue #25, Inferno is from Mercury and her powers are heat and light generation like Sun Boy, whom I was very pleased to see back in fighting form.

What next? We obviously can't trust the solicitations anymore.

Thanks Tromium, I knew something didn't sound right with her listing on the title page. Hard to believe that didn't get caught by someone along the way.

BTW, it just struck me how sad it is that the current issue of JSA (the 2nd part of the JLA/JSA/LSH crossover) has generated 3 times as many posts in reaction to that Legion than an actual issue of the LSH series.

Hopefully TPTB will recognize this and make the changes that need to be made. Just look at the excitment that crossover is generating.

I have to agree that the artwork was just horrible. The last page with the Legion, Wanderers and Terra Firma joining together was a complete disaster. Check out Supergirl's arm, um is it broke?


The story was not that bad, just too slow after the build up from the last few issues.

THis issue was a MAJOR let down, I thought the series was finally getting back on track and then this issue hits and everything comes to a screeching halt