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I really liked the movie. For me the best part was Kitty. She has always been my favorite X-Men character. Ellen Page was absolutely perfect! Her action scenes were great. She was smart, sassy and heroic. A great adaptation of the character. When the next movie comes out I hope they keep Ellen as Kitty and make her a bigger part of the story.

kitty's my favorite too! and my favorite parts of the movie.

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">loved it when she schooled the juggernaut</span></span>

i went and saw the film this afternoon !!

a great addition to the first two, but didn't quite match the overall greatness of 'X2' for me !! that film was just amazing, totally relentless in it's action and drama !!

this one had some slower scenes, and although they needed the set up, it did lack some pace !!

the deaths actually surprised me, the people who died, weren't the ones that i thought they were gonna be apart from <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Jean</span></span>at the end !!

as others have said, there a quite a few characters that didn't get much air airtime [ although i'm glad STORM/Halle had a larger part this time around ]

my biggest upset was no scenes with Jean and the 'Pheonix Effect' i really wanted to see the flames of the bird image surrounding her body !! we got to see it slightly at the end of 'X2' but it just wasn't used this time around !!??

perhaps they tried it, but the SFX just didn't look convincing !!??

and finally ..... i didn't know about the final scene at the end, so finding out about that upset me too !!

but i still enjoyed it

Matthew.

Just got back from seeing X-MEN: THE LAST STAND. Tragic (needlessly?) in spots, but amazing for the most part. A genuine super-powered WAR with dozens and dozens of super-characters involved, some astonishing use of certain super-powers, and some GREAT character scenes and humor. Near as I can tell, they were combining "Factor Three" (which included "The Death of Professor X") from the mid-60's with the "Dark Phoenix" story from the late 70's. All 5 original X-Men were finally in appearance (though not all together), and most of the rest of the late-70's crew was finally seen in action-- Colossus, Kitty... but it JUST this second occured to me-- NO Nightcrawler! What th'...???

I heard there was a "surprise" ending after the very end of the end credits. Only about 6 people were left in the theatre by the time it came up. Given one aspect of one of the original comics plots I mentioned above, when I saw it, I wasn't completely surprised. (Or, how to tell someone about something without letting them know what happened... heh heh heh.)

While the story structure of the first and second films strongly suggested this would be the conclusion of a 3-parter (it pretty much was), the title is definitely misleading, as I have NO DOUBT there will be a 4th film.



I prefer going to movies in the afternoon to get cheaper tickets. But it was HORRIFIC today-- 92! I went to the 10 PM show, and my car's AC worked REAL good. The ticket was $8.00-- most I've ever paid so far. I decided despite this to get 2 hot dogs and a soda. Nice surprise-- the girl behind the counter told me the hot dogs were only $1 apiece tonight. (Maybe it was because it was the last show and they wanted to get rid of them?) They weren't all that good, but they WERE hot dogs, and that was all that mattered. I had a smile on my face for the last several hours, and during the fight at the end, found myself laughing VERY loud in a few spots.


Henry

Apparently with regards to the lack of Nightcrawler (and this is mostly based on rumours rather than anything official as far as I'm aware) Bryan Singer and Alan Cumming had a huge falling out on X2 (Singer certainly said something about never wanting to work with Cumming again) and when he was originally attached to direct X3 he stipulated that Cumming wasn't going to be in it. That stipulation I guess carried over to teh later directors and just stuck. There is supposed to be an explanation for his absence in the computer game but it would have been nice for there to be just a line to say where he was in teh film. He didn't *need* to be there but he was conspicuous by his absence.

When we went to see it you could tell the people that had read about the film already because they were the ones that stayed till the end. The cinema was packed until the credits started to roll and at the end there was me, Chris and a row of about ten people in front of us waiting for the extra scene. We already pretty much knew what the extra scene was going to be simply because of the earlier set up for it but it's always nice to catch those little things (like the Bullseye bit at the end of Daredevil or the kite bit at the end of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert).

Nightcrawler was such a wonderful part of X2 for me. I've always liked the character (unlike Wolverine, HIM I like better in the movies!) and his scenes in the 2nd film were some of the best parts. When he rescued Rogue after she got sucked out of the back of the jet, I HOWLED at the screen! It was such a "gosh wow" moment. One thing that somehow caught me completely by surprise was, after reading stories with him for years, SOMEHOW, it never crossed my mind he had a German accent!


Which makes it strange that I could make out NO hint of a Russian accent on Collossus-- and I've ALWAYS been overly-aware that he's Russian.

There's a HUGE discussion going on at the GLA Yahoo Group message board. Lots and lots of pro and con-- and In find myself in agreement with so much on both sides. near as I can tell, the film had TREMENDOUS potential... and somewhere along the way, things didn't go right. Still, GREAT to watch and way better than most.

After all these days of reading other people's comments, I still think it was a very good movie. Die hard X fans seem to want to tear it to bits, but overall, I was fully entertained.

I've always been an X-Men fan on a more general level. Certainly nowhere as close as I am to the Legion.

I can't wait to buy it on dvd.

But, if I had one request, it would have been to see a cooler "Phoenix Rising" scene.

I have to say that I went to see X-Men III with the expectation that I would not be "wowed" and the film met my expectations.

It was OK, but nothing made me go "cool".

Has it been shown that Leech's power affect non-mutant powers? If not then here is my nit-picking thing, He should not have affected Juggernaut because Juggernaut is not a mutant.

I wouldn't be surprised if Juggy actually is a mutant in movie continuity, since magic has not been shown to exist as of yet. (Of course, Jean's movie powers are themselves nothing short of magical, but still...)

Leech's power, I thought, is supposed to supress or disrupt superhuman powers, not just mutant powers. So he could have affected Juggernaut.

Color me less than enthused with the end product... I found myself not caring about anything or anyone in the movie. The plot and the character relationships for the good guys had little direction and what direction they did go was obvious ahead of time.

The most likeable part of the movie for me was the interactions and scheming of the bad guys.

I saw it last night and thought it was alright. Good in parts, but overall a bit lacking. There seemed to be so much thrown in there that I'm not sure how much a non X-fan could follow or care about.

The characters who I think suffered the most from this was Angel and the Kitty/Rogue/Bobby triangle - they both had interesting stories that could have been fleshed out more and given the audience a bit more character drama to slow down from the unrelenting action. Unfortunately, the Wolverine/Jean story dominated (to the point where Wolverine confronts Dark Pheonix instead of Scott.

Despite the hint at the end of X2, I actually wished that they had kept Jean dead. The Dark Pheonix story is so beloved that I can understand wanting to see it, but here it felt shoe-horned in. I really liked the main "mutant cure" storyline - it has more dimension than X2's Stryker who simply wanted all mutants dead and they tried to show different sides to the argument, making Magneto sympathetic, casting some shadows on Xavier's practices etc...

The CGI de-aging of Xavier and Magneto in the first scene worked for the most part, but Magneto's face looked a little plastic in a few shots.

It occured to me that feeling of "there's a lot to like, but the end product was ultimately unfulfilling" was a familiar one: this is how I felt during the second half of DnA's Legion run! Lots of potential, some good character moments, but a less than satisfying climax and too much stuff thrown in that never gets devloped.

I've read elsewhere that Bryan Singer wanted to do 2 movies at once, the studio said no, he walked... "The Cure" and "The Phoenix" would EACH have made great films on their own. As it is, "The Phoenix" get SERIOUSLY short-changed, and in addition, IT gets in the way of "The Cure" story!

You know, it never occured to me that Rogue's story in the 1st film actually should have been SCOTT's (pain & isolation because of mutant power). Coming in in the middle as it were, with Wolverine as the new guy (the audience POV) while Scott & Jean are the old guard, you kind of assume THEIR soap-opera love triangle was resolved long ago (as indeed, it was, by the time Neal Adams came along! -- except in the original, the cocky 3rd part of the triangle was ANGEL!!!).

To have Scott's later "story" ripped away and given to Wolverine JUST because the actor had a conflicting schedule... (grrrrrrrr, grumble)

That said, there's a LOT of bits in the film that made me laugh, get excited, enjoy myself. I just think the film wound up being "good bits" instead of a cohesive "GREAT FILM" as X1 and X2 were.

I never expected The Beast would just about steal the movie! He's been brushed aside and nearly forgotten ever since the AMAZING ADVENTURES solo-series and his later joining THE AVENGERS, it was great to bring him in as one of the "old guard" who left (even as he did in the comics).

I just don't "get" this studio insistence that this is supposed to be "the last one" in the series. Especially, NOT with that opening box office score...!

For non comic fans, I think the movie works. You get a lot of action and you get to see some cool characters pop up.

For me, the movie, while entertaining was lacking.

Why introduce new characters like Beast, Kitty, Juggernut, Angel Madrox and Moria and have them basically do nothing the whole movie? Madorx and Pete said like a combined 20 words. Juggy was in for like three scenes and more comic relief then anything. Moria had one real scene and that was her on tv during a class! Rogue was totally wasted in this movie. So more emotion could have come from her decison to take the'cure'.

So much wasted potential in characters-And the actors that they got. All great actors that just stood around. Cameron Bright who played Leech has been the creppy kid in a couple of indie movies. Shohreh Aghdashloo -who played Dr. Rao- was great on 24 and The House of Sand and Fog. I mean, he got some great actors and just has them stare at each other all day. The expecation is Grammer who played Beast-he was good in the few scenes he was in- and Ellen Page who played Kitty. The only emtional scene that had any impact was when Beast first met Leech and his hand went all human. Other then that it was alot of the actors all emoting or screaming at each other.

And all the cheap deaths. Why did Wolvernie have to kill Jean? If he was willing to do what he had to then why didn't he just give Jean the 'cure'? Simple as that and then he wouldn't have to kill her. They already did it for old Magneto. They could have done it for Jean too.

There were only two cool things I liked about the movie.

1. Finally seeing Bobby -however brief- finally ice up and kick Pyro's ass.

2. The new Superman Returns trailer before the movie.

I saw it late Saturday night after work, and I enjoyed it a lot.

Honestly, I'm an old school "New" X-Men fan of the entire original Claremont run, and I didn't mind the less-than-faithful take on the characters and of the Phoenix angle in particular.

Really, I accept comic book movies as being their own take of the source material. After all, there's not been a single superhero film that's 100% faithful to those sources. Truthfully, the most faithful ones may have gotten as close as 70%. What I look for most, other than that they are simply good films, is how well the essence of the characters ring true to the originals.

And in all X-Men movies I've been very pleased. X3 is no exception. All the key performances rang true. Whether it was Scott's anguish and brief exhiliration over Jean, Logan's inner struggle over Jean and his final tragic decision, Professor X's seemingly cold resolve about Jean's psychic neutering or Magneto's subtle grief for his friend and rejection of Mystique, there were lots of moments that worked really well for me. To brand this squarely as an action-only movie seems ridiculous.

As I headed home, I realized that X3, credits and all, came in at probably only 1 and 3/4 hours. I guess Ratner wanted the movie to be taut and not padded. In hindsight it may have benefited from a little extra development with the Rogue storyline, and possibly to explore Jean's evolution further. But it probably would have hurt the movie to have a lot of extra character development for Colossus, Angel and others. Hell, we got to see the fastball special...if Peter had appeared just for that, I would've been satisfied!

The movie really had a personal feel to it. The school seemed tight-knit over the tragedies, and it was affecting to see how much Logan had become presonally invested in it and the others. His final scene with Jean was really heart-breaking...I cried a little! In the movie's universe, Jean and Logan really clicked together much more than Scott and Jean, so I was okay with him being there at the end.

And I really loved Ian McKellan in this one. He gets to play such a range from cold bastard to revolutionary to mourner to utterly crushed loser. His final scene made me smile though.

As far as sequels, I've heard that for the moment solo movies for Wolverine and a younger Magneto (with McKellan possibly doing framing sequences) are most likely next steps. The opening success of X-3 may change that plan though.

I suppose I liked X3 the best, largely because it finally brought a bigger scale to the franchise. The first two just seemed a lot more insulated somehow, and this one just seemed to show the kinds of big stories that the comic books have successfully pulled off. I liked that the movie was pretty uncompromisingly dark (lots of comic book movies are afraid to go there) which fits well with the X-Men. And I thought the story and central characters were pretty stimulating, hitting a lot of notes that worked for me.

I would assume her power would either have dissolved the needle (only Wolvie's healing factor coupled with some reluctance on her part kept him alive) or simply repelled it away like she did when a flurry of them were shot in her direction earlier. And it's certainly possible that given her power was greater than any of the others, that the cure wouldn't have worked on her had he somehow injected her and she hadn't repelled it from her system.

In short Logan knew that what he had to do was his (and the world's) best shot. He had to be sure. And in truth, it's what Jean wanted.

Here's my favorite post from another group...


"We should never use the line "movies (or comic book publishing) are a
business" to excuse inferior quality."


Helllllllllllllllllll NO!!!! Marvel has already been doing that with
their COMICS for decades now...




The thing is FLAWED... I managed to enjoy it despite this. Oh well.
Hey, it's STILL way, WAYYYYY better than HALLOWEEN 6... and the scary
thing is, as much of a piece of S*** as that was, THAT was still
WAYYYYYYYYY better than ALIEN 3 !!!




Henry

my belief is how could jean be killed by wolverine so easily? She has godlike powers but yet his claws were enough. No force field, nothing at all that automatically protected her as when the wall of water crashed on her in X2

So go throw Leech at her then. Negate her power with the source of the 'cure'.

I think it would've been better if the story kept going...

Wrongo! Leeches power had a very short range---he woulda been blown apart well before he reached Jean! Would that've been a nice thing to do?

Nah, just let old Leach sneak up behind her.

Honestly, if they wanted to do Phoenix at _all_, changing it like this was really the only concievable way (Jean's mutation I mean, not the movie in and of itself). The Entire Phoenix/Dark Phoenix Saga would've taken its own Trilogy...