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According to the interwebz there are no extras during or after the credits .

One of the things I like about Firefly - the bad guys wore suits and/or uniforms.

I read an interview with someone (Abrams, I think) who said that tribbles make a brief cameo appearance in the movie -- supposedly in the first scene where Kirk meets Scotty at the ice planet outpost. It was apparently a secret even to most of the actors, who had no idea where/when it occurred.

I spent probably more time than I should have wondering what Nero and the other Romulans did for fun for 25 years on that mining ship. Plus, didn't they ever get, you know, horny?

Raging Bull, you can put to rest your concerns for the Narada crew's conjugal well-being. It was cut from the movie, but it turns out they spent most of the 25 years in the Klingon prison planet Rura Penthe. Remember, that was where Kirk hooked up with the shape changer chick in Star Trek 6. So, lots of different species and genders, probably enough to satisfy most of the crew's tastes.

i'm hoping that the Rura Penthe sceen and other will be included when the DVD is released.

I thought it was very brave of them to make Kirk and Spock bisexual. That one scene should make all the Spock/Kirk slash fans VERY happy...

nope. nada. I sat through it all.

agreed.

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I shall politely disagree completely.

True, but I found the story and characters engaging enough to look past the ridiculous science.

I was kinda disappointed that the engine room looked like an old battleship engine room. It really didn't fit in with the rest of the starship.

Other than that, I was ok it it

I think you make a good point, Spellbinder, but as I thought about it, the previous engine rooms are totally unrealistic, especially the Next Gen one -- just too darn small and nicely finished to power such an enormous vehicle. While I'm not sure the new movie got it perfect (we really saw only fleeting glimpses), I like the idea of a large, powerful, "open" engine room. You just wouldn't cover up all that essential hardware with finished walls, floors and carpet.

I guess that, for me, it just looked so... 20th century, compared with the rest of the ship. I think they could have found a better mixture of fantasy and practicality.

What's a matter-antimatter mixer going to look like? A big mixxing bowl? Can't imagine alot of moving parts to whack with a pipe wrench when the old ship needs a kick. I suppose there could be some heat eschangers for the environmental. That would give some pipes to keep an engineer happy but for the most part, "clean" makes more sense to me than down and dirty. It's more a control room than an engine room.

A friend of ours had a small (but credited) role in the movie. We all went to the theatre to see it this weekend with him and, much to the confusion of the crowd, cheered wildly at his brief appearances in the film.

I guess my model would start with, say, the engine/reactor room on a nuclear aircraft carrier, and go from there. You need to have LOTS of pipes, pipes for the matter, pipes for the antimatter, pipes for coolant (for the reactor and/or superconducting magnets). Also, you'd want really durable conduit for power supplies into and out of the reactor to key systems, like you have conduit protecting the main feed of electrical into a home, etc. So, I think it should look a lot tougher and more utilitarian, and just a lot bigger, than it did in TNG. I'm not saying that they got it right in the movie, but as I thought about it their approach made more sense, and was more the right scale, than the TNG engine room.

Well, I finally saw it last night. It was a fun, entertaining, enjoyable movie. Which automatically means it far surpasses most recent Star Trek flicks/shows.

However, I kept feeling that something was missing. And after awhile I realized that it was the whole "exploration" aspect of the original Trek, which is kind of the point of the whole series. While it was a well-done "reboot" of the franchise, there was nothing really exciting or new in it. Even with the villains being unknown to the Enterprise crew, the audience basically knows who they are, and they're something basically familiar (and not especially interesting).

Two major plot complaints:

1. Did the bad guys' plan make any sense? How exactly is destroying the Federation in the past supposed to help Romulus in the future? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to just make a beeline for Romulus and tell them, "Hey, in a couple of hundred years the whole planet is going to be imperiled... here's the technology you're going to need to save it."

2. "I told Kirk to lie to you because you two needed to learn to work together/forge a friendship/whatever. Of course, the fact that adding my knowledge and experience to the mix might have vastly improved the possibility of successfully saving Earth/defeating the bad guys is much less important than you two being buddy-buddy." I suppose that's... logical?

I actually thought that movie would've almost been better as a pilot for a new TV series than as a standalone movie.

I had heard somewhere that there was a plan to do a few movies and then move to a series.

Nero's scene with Pike implied that the former had lost it, which is an overly convenient excuse for motivation: insane bad guy.

As the afterglow of the movie has worn off, I've come to realize that there were a lot of things in the film that were meant to play up the adolescent fantasy aspect of Trek instead of the mature logical side. As I've already mentioned, Kirk is a captain at 25 and Chekov is a navigator at 17. Spock Prime's role at the end certainly qualifies as adolescent fantasy--emphasizing the Kirk/Spock friendship over everything else that has happened.

On the other hand, I thought the scene worked for two reasons:
1. From Spock Prime's point of view, he has no home to go back to and no reason not to interfere with this timeline. Also, who among us wouldn't want to meet our younger selves and tell them some piece of information that would make their future lives easier?
2. It was a totally unexpected scene that violated one of the cardinal rules of time travel stories: that one is never supposed to encounter oneself in the past. ST has always played with conventions and sometimes turned them on their heads--a practice that made the show groundbreaking in the first place (e.g., a woman first officer, an alien first officer, intelligent monsters). Doing so again merely upheld that tradition.

I did acutally like the encounter between the two Spocks, but I wish they had somehow done it without the kind of convoluted "you have to lie to me" thing leading up to it.

I wonder if we were supposed to pick up on the contrast between Nero's response to the destruction of his homeworld versus Spock's response to the destruction of his? Maybe, given the historic connection between Vulcans and Romulans, there should've been some line about the fact that Spock would've been driven as insane as Nero if it weren't for his training or whatever.

EDE -- the movie novelization addresses your question about Nero, in the form of a protest from his first officer, who proposes doing exactly what you say. Nero's reply is that he will of course take the Red Matter weapon to Romulus, where it can be used in the future to save Romulus, but first he's going to wipe out the Federation in revenge. So yes, Nero is basically insane, and it's not really addressed in the book either why a crew of miners would be so loyal to him to pursue such a strategy. The only "logical" explanation in my mind is that they are completely convinced of their superiority and consider themselves invulnerable.

On the Spock-Prime meeting thing, there's actually a lot of fascinating scientific backstory to this that the screenwriters have drawn on. The old single timeline theory complete with paradoxes has been replaced with the the quantum many-worlds alternate timelines approach, the founding edict of which is "no paradoxes."

BTW, since I've mentioned the movie novelization, I should put in a plug for the audiobook version, which is how I consumed it. It's read by Zach (Spock) Quinto, who does a fabulous job. His Scotty and Chekov are almost as good as Pegg's and Yelchin's, and he makes Nero way more menacing than Bana did. Also, the novel is written in a fairly "Vulcan" style, if you will--big words, very formal diction and syntax, dry and arch irony. So Quinto, reading as "Spock," really makes that prose style come alive in an engaging way. It's really great fun, and I say that as someone who has almost no prior love of or experience of audiobooks.

The details of Shatner's aborted cameo in the movie were interesting. He would have appeared as a holographic greeting card in the Spocks of Two Worlds scene. When Quinto said he wasn't convinced about the potential of a Kirk-Spock friendship/collaboration, Nimoy would have shown the Shatner card waxing-poetic about all their years together.


The main cast is signed for 3 movies. The second of which is probably go given the positive reviews and the fact there seems to be some money to be made.

I can't decide if that would've been incredibly cool or incredibly cheesy. Or maybe so cheesy it would be cool.

i read that the reason it was aborted was because the plan was a resurrection of kirk and the writers felt it would have made the movie more of kirk return then what was actually made. I read that on sci fi wire i thought, and it wasnt jj abrahams but the other guy involved.