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Found the article , by the way.

So does anyone who's read these spoiler-guarded posts think they should remain so? Or by their speculative nature, should they be decloaked?

I'm in the mood for speculation:

We know that Ben loved Juliette, maybe even before she came to the island to help the others. Why, one wonders?

Juliette is lured to the island to cure the lethal "infertility" problem. Why would there be such a problem?

In 1974 (or whatever), women can carry babies to term successfully, as Juliette delivers one. We also can expect that the time-lost heroes will meet the young Benjamin on the island. Will this include Juliette? Will young Ben fall in love with her?

Will Ben's later ascendancy to the leadership of the Others include or lead to a change in the "rules" of the Island (as we have seen before) making pregnancy lethal and thus REQUIRING the services of a certain blond-haired infertility expert?

Since it's speculation, I don't think it needs to be Spoilerized. We all knew it was a possibility with this show, so it's not outrageous.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, Ceej. But some fans don't even want to know that a death is coming soon. I think it's fair game, but if anyone gets a specific spoiler from one of those sites, I'd ask that those be completely left off this thread and not even put in a spoiler box. I'll de-spoil my posts and encourage any of you who posted likewise above to do so as well.

Apparently, the finale for this season is entitled <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">The Incident</span></span>

This leads me to think that either <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Daniel or Desmond</span></span> are prime candidates for death.

Eryk, that's not much to go on! Care to explain why that evidence leads you to that conclusion?

Another fantastic episode! Every scene filled with so much! The best part is the balance between information given to us and really great character sequences, so one didn't outweigh the other.

For instance, we know 'Faraday is gone'. Great tidbit! And they wasted no time explaining the Ben / Sun / Lapidas scenario.

The Sawyer, Kate, Juliet and Jack scenes were great. The Jack /Sawyer bit of conflict was interesting and welcome. There is a lot of tension and emotion and things won't be all lovey dovey right away.

We finally--FINALLY--see Razinsky. I never actually thought it'd happen. Howe awesome.

Young Ben was expected. But the previews...I'm wondering if Sayid may take it upon himself to try and kill young Ben. And if that's the case, well then I think it'll be Sayid who dies. Do we know what year Ben meant Richard? I wonder if that happened yet? It seems like it may have and Ben was already on his way to becoming influenced by the Others.

Razinsky references the Swan being built on something. We know the Swan was the hatch, correct? That means that yes, it is probably the Jughead, and so even though we kind of already knew, its further proof of a really cool explanation. Which likely will play into the entire series finale.

The Dharma guy Phil: something seems fishy about him. Can't really say why. But I'll call it: Hostile in disguise working for Richard.

Oh, and creepiest scene of the series so far! When Christian appears before Sun and Frank. What a creepy sequence! Very well done!

Well, this is quite welcome! The "Incident" is not the "Purge", but rather the thing that happened circa prior to 1980 that supposedly made the Hatch become so dangerous (playing into the Jughead storyline this season), and also supposedly made Cerebus/Monster lose control and strike off on its own (or in other words, Dharma loses control of the Monster). This fits perfectly with the timeline too. I wonder if thats the case.

Another thing on Razinsky. We know he pushed the button before Kelvin, so it makes sense its his pet project. He likely created the button from the creation of the Swan and then made sure to keep pushing it after the incident. It also makes Eyrk's second theory about who dies seem reasonable since that character's story is so essentially tied into pushing the button. Maybe he'll die doing it after all.

Oh, and the Monster equally Christian--whats the general opinions on that theory? We know the Monster was Yemi and some others over the Seasons. Do a lot of you still think he's been all the ghosts / visions / etc.?

EDIT PPPS - Last comment! So given that we know what Desmond did to the Hatch at the finale of Season Two somehow allowed him to gain his odd 'abilities' over time/space (even if he can't understand them), we might surmise that the Swan/Hatch/Jughead could potentially do something like that again. In other words with the right spin on the science, the Incident could be the potential 'out' to send the Losties in 1977 back to the Present. Or maybe with just a little bit of faith from Sun, as Locke would say.

A nice set-up episode for the second mini-arc of this season; and a lot of great callbacks: Radzinsky, young Ben, baby Ethan!?!

I've actually been leaning away from the monster=Christian line of thinking ever since that "Say hello to my son" line he said to Locke. Actually, my latest Shepherd family crackpot theory is that the person that Christian is serving... Jacob... is none other than Jack himself, put through god-knows-what over 30 years.

I really liked Sawyer's "thinking" approach, calling Jack out on being so overly-reactive. "But I got them off the island!" God, if he says that one more time, someone should smack him.

Oh... and what ever happened to Rose and Bernard? We haven't seen either of them since the very first episode of this season, have we?

I like seeing Sawyer being a prick again. I hate good guy Sawyer. I also look forward to watching Jack make him eat crow and get him out of his jam.

I completely agree that the Incident will send them back to the present. And that was also completely my thinking on that particular potential death, that somehow it somehow make his story come full circle. I'm hoping that's not right, but it does make a lot of sense.

Again I missed the first 15 minutes because I was playing Wii (badly!) with the six-year old. Then, the entire rest of the episode seemed to be commercials every 2 minutes!

I'm not sure I saw Sawyer as prickish here. Think about it. He has lived in the same place for 3 years now, doing a real job, not just protecting the secret of the time lost but the lives of the DI members and the Others as well through his truce. Now, he's managed to integrate Jack, Kate and Hugo into the DI on the fly, and save Sayid from summary execution. Yes, he's used his con man skills to do that, but those are the skills he has. I think he deserves a LOT of credit. He's looking much more heroic than Jack at the moment.

It wasn't the job he did, it's his need to castigate Jack and put him down for being a poor leader compared to him (I loved the irony of the line about how many people died on Jack's watch... umm how many people started out with Sawyer when the Time Shifts started and never made it, not to mention those killed at the Barracks when the Freighter crew came through?).

Sawyer is obviously not pleased about having "Leader" Jack back and is trying to cut him down.

Yeah, I think Sawyer has built up a life for himself that he probably never thought he could have. He has a great love/wife, he has good friends, he has people he protects and provides for, and the respect and trust of those people. He basically has the Hostiles in check and a semblance in control over most of what goes on (or at least there is nothing he likely doesn't think he can't handle). He basically has the life he probably thought he'd never have. Now with everyone else thrown back into the fray, he has to deal with losing all of that.

I think they did a good job without making him suddenly slip into the typical cliches either. He's thinking things through, figuring out how to make the best of it, keep his life intact, do what’s right, and all other kinds of emotions—PLUS—he’ll never get rid of his old conman way of thinking which is also coming into play. After 4 and ½ seasons, we all know him well enough to only imagine what could be going through his head. That’s why this show still rocks like no one’s business.

It must be noted that I LOVED it when Sun hit Ben over the head woth the paddle! That explains how he ends up in the sick ward with the other plane crash injured.

I've thought that more than once, especially because the names "Jack" and "Jacob" are similar. But I'm also wondering if Jacob might turn out to be Daniel somehow stuck just outside of time. Who knows?

so if the second plane crash survivors are the other island, are they in the same time period? It seems to me that jack, sawyer, kate, jin, hurley, sayid and i guess sun aresupposed to be
therethey all disappeared except for Sun, why wasnt she whisked away like the others.

The survivors of the new crash are in present day. The caption "thirty years ealier" was used in the episode to segue from that scene to the era with Sawyer, Dharma, etc.

As for why Sun didn't disappear with them? Dunno, guess the island didn't want her to.

It seems that Sun, Lapidas, Ben, Locke and all those other new crash survivors are in the present, along with Richard Alpert and the Others.

Everyone else is in 1977 (where Richard of 1977 also is). It would make sense that Rose and Bernard are there too somewhere. Sawyer did mention that they had been looking for someone for quite some time in the previous episode.

Daniel 'left' so he's the wild card right now time-wise.

i hope this doesnt the way of ALL GOOD THINGS, i already saw that show i just dont need to see it again.

Caught the first 15 minutes on the interweb. Good stuff! Frank Lapidus just rawks! I'm so glad the creative team has brought him back. So cool to see the payoff of the runway Sawyer and Kate were forced to build 2 seasons (?) ago! How did they know they would need one? It's also cool to think we will see the rest of the story about the Swan/Hatch/Jughead.

I would think that the other Survivors were caught up in the same time-jumps as Sawyer et al, but where have they been for the last three years while Sawyer's been playing house? Charlotte "jumped" away, leaving Daniel behind but I'm still not sure why she kept going. Did the other survivors jump with Charlotte?

You've got it backwards actually. Daniel jumped away from Charlotte's dead body. Or more correctly, Charlotte stopped jumping when she died. Remember she expired before the last jump, THEN John turned the wheel and anchored the jumpers.