Legion World Forums LEGION COMPANION The Anywhere Machine Lost Season Five (Spoilers Aplenty!)

Nope, neither of those chicks were named "Annie".

And, yeah, the payoff couldn't possibly be less satisfying than what Heroes has done.

Tonight's episode was maybe not quite equal to the rest this season, but was still good. I was disappointed that Rousseau's appearance was so limited but it was nice to see that she wasn't totally crazy at least.
Sawyer's happiness at seeing Jin was a good antidote to last week's sad sack Sawyer. I liked the idea that Jin wouldn't want Sun to come back to the island, but I was sort of disappointed that Sun fell in with Ben so quickly. It felt like whatever travails she'd been through since they left the island just went *poof*.
I think most people were guessing Charlotte was from the island or had at least lived there so that wasn't much of a surpise, nor was it a surpise that she was the one that died this week. Even though I've gone mostly spoiler free this year I had heard someone was dying tonight and that seemed pretty obvious. I guess the reveal of Faraday's mom wasn't really a surprise either, despite the ominous music cue when she turned around.
Christian's role in this episode was intriguing though, I really want to know what's going on there. I'd also like to know what that temple's about that the smoke monster's supposedly guarding.
Like I said, still a solid ep but it seemed a little padded out. Maybe it was the repeated time jumps that didn't show us anything besides making things worse for Charlotte.

i want to know about the smoke monster, did it purposely screw up Rousseau's people or was it inadvertantly.

Yea, I think the best part of this episode was further insight into the smoke monster and the Temple.

We see the Temple for the first time (previously referred to by Ben as 'a very old place') and it has all hieroglyphics and stuff. Its similar to the foot statue and the ruins where the others kept Locke's father, so all of these things must be from an older era of the island. You'd think they'd be evern older than the Black Rock--much older in fact--but I don't want to rule that out.

The Smoke Monster appears to be a security system for the Temple. But it would make sense to me that it was placed there by Dharma, given its nature (most likely a nanotech 'smart' machine/type creature). They named it Cerebus, as we know from the blast door map, and during the 'incident' it got loose (sometime in 1986? or 1984?). I wonder if that was done by Jacob or whoever was controlling the Others at some point. Whatever the case, it now guards the Temple, and Ben was able to control it at some point. I wonder if all of the times we've ever seen the Monster, it was purposely warding off visitors from the Temple.

We also see that Rosseau's people were driven insane after their trip down into the cracks below the Temple (or into it), and their confrontation with the Monster. She thinks the monster drove them insane, but I think it was probably something within the Temple. I think that Temple will be vital to the rest of the show.

Also really interesting was that prior to Orchid being put up, there was an old well, which led down to the cavern with the wheel. It looks implied that the well & wheel are from the same age as the Temple, Foot Statue and ruins--yet another thing from an earlier age, this one also mysterious and able to tap into the islands powers over time/space. Likely it was the Dharma Initiative who knocked the well down and built the Orchid Station right next to it/almost on top of it, to harness the power down there. We know when Charlotte was a little girl the well was still there (how else would she have known?) and probably the construction seen in the past in the first episode this season was exactly that. Also, because Sawyer held the rope when traveling through time, the rope would be lost--that means when they all flashed forward in time, the well no longer had a rope, likely for several decades, so likely no one or very few ever went down there. Which is why it didn't seem to be such a major thing to knock down the well (according to Dharma).

Also, I wonder if Ben's knowledge of the wheel near the Orchid is from the Temple's hieroglyphics? Perhaps that provided a road map for how to use it...translated for Ben by Jacob when he spoke to Ben?

Er, the rest of the episode was pretty groovy too, but that was the most itneresting part. That and Ben's obvious killer-instinct kicking in when he saw Desmond.

As I play Lost catch-up on the internet today at work ( ), I see a pretty cool theory at Zap2it.com's weekly review http://blog.zap2it.com/ithappenedlastnight/2009/02/death-becomes-lost.html: "Wonder If Daniel goes into the belly of the Orchid trying to prevent Charlotte's death, thereby causing the Incident. That has to be it, right?". Certainly would be a cool twist, and explain not only how Faraday ends up in the past with Dharma but finally tell us what the incident is.

I'm so pumped on the Temple/Monster stuff, I forgot to mention that I thought Jin was terrific in this episode. And as pointed out in the article above, I like that Locke supposedly honored his request.

Fairly gruesome episode between Locke's leg and Montand's arm (I certainly wasn't expecting that as Season One gave the implication that he lost it as a result of the dynamite at the Black Rock).

A small detail that has me fairly intrigued is Christian's comment, "Say hello to my son." Up until now I had just assumed that "Island Christian" was a manifestation of the smoke monster, just as Yemi had earlier been shown to be, but, if that's the case, why bother with the comment at all? It's not as though John even knows who his son is. Hmmmm...

And just a little bit of Lost goodness that made me smile: Eloise Hawking? So, OK, she's got to be the "Ellie" from a few episodes back, but more awesomely, "Eloise" was also the name of Faraday's rat at Oxford. What does that say about his fondness for his mother?

i agree Exnihil, i always thought Christian was a smoke manisfestation, however when he appeared with clair in the cabin, i started to wonder.
As for the Temple, according to daniel dae kim who plays jin
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The smoke monster is as old as the island, i read it on sci fi wire. i believe the foot stature, the temple and the smoke monster are from the same time. I believe Faraday will meet charolette as a little girl during one of the flashes.
And i also believe ellie is the young Eloise because Faraday sorta recognised her.

One more thing... the numbers.

So... prior to Danielle changing the radio tower broadcast, someone had recorded "The Numbers" repeating over and over.

We know from past seasons that Hurley's old mental hospital friend, Leonard, picked up this signal while stationed at a listening post and, after going mad, just repeated them again and again. Hurley, hearing them during his stay, co-opted the numbers from Leonard, used them to win the lottery and, ever since, has been haunted by what he feels is their curse.

But who recorded the original signal that was broadcast from the island, starting that whole chain of events?

Somebody did a sound capture of the signal from last night's episode and... if that's who it sounds like... this could be one of the saddest twists of the entire show:

Check it out here and tell me if that doesn\'t break your heart.

So catching up last week...

Ellie is Daniel's mom. Good to get confirmation. Now How she knows about the island, I don't know.

Charlotte- did we see Daniel frighten a little girl earlier this season? I thought we had.

I want to see Locke and Ben meet up in LA. There's something there.

The smoke monster... there's a lot more to the monster then we've been given. I'm still holding off on any judgment calls. But if the Temple and the Source of the island were there long before Dharma, then my theory on Jughead being the energy source is erroneous.

Great episode tonight. Very strong Jack episode as Jack inherently takes over for Locke as the "man of faith".

I also love how Locke has come to act as a father figure for Jack (complete with Jack's animosity towards father figures) and it is completely symbolic that Jack puts Christian's shoes on Locke.

Lots going, I'll get back to it later, but overall a great episode. Loving that they are not wasting time getting them back to the island. Each character obviously has a story for what happened in the last day before they left. I'm REALLY concerned for Penny & Des.

Oh and Lapidas showing back up--pretty damn cool.

Finally!
to know why Christian was wearing tennis shoes

ARGHH -- I missed the first 12 minutes finishing the Man-Bat level in Lego Batman with the six-year old. Damn kids! Did I miss anything important? What did powder puff lady reveal about the island? Did they show what Kate did with Aaron?

They did NOT show what Kate did with Aaron (gave him to his grandmother?) The Old Lady rambled on a lot of exposition about how the island is constantly moving but someone figured out how to predict where the island will be.

So, on the flight back, if Locke=Jack's father, then Sayid=Kate (the prisoner), Hurley=Charlie (the guitar), Jack=Locke?(faith?), Ben=Sawyer? (just killed an innocent person? (Penny?!?))

If the cast of "Lost" were recast as "Gatchaman/battle of the Planets":
Mark = Jack
Jason = Sawyer
Princess = Kate
Tiny = Hurley
Keyop = Charlie(?)
Col Cronos (Mark's father) = Locke

I wasn’t feeling this episode at all. Despite being the episode where the most happened in a while, it felt very mechanical, like they said “OK lets move everything into place so X, Y and Z can happen over the next few episodes”. There were some things in this episode that really should have had more impact than they did.

Rouge, I think I liked it for the reasons you didn't; this episode was part of the trend this season of moving the plot along while still sprinkling in a few mysteries. There were a few times where it felt a little disjointed though, I agree. Just tossing out Grand-dad Shepherd was sort of awkward.

Was the Ajira water bottle that Sawyer's group found in the same time jump that they found the remains of the beach camp? If so then the presumed wreckage of the Ajira plane (and any survivors) are in a different time frame than Sawyer's group plus Jack, Kate and Hurley.

I have a bad feeling about Penny...

And the Lamp-Post Station was another C.S. Lewis reference perhaps.

Does anyone think Kate could be pregnant? I can't remember the timeline of her and Jack's relationship, but it might explain why Aaron wasn't needed for the Flight 316, and would be another parallel to the original flight (Claire's pregnancy.) Or I guess it's even possible that the reason she jumped Jack last night was to achieve a pregnancy. It would explain her reversion to treating him distantly the next day.

I giggled when the Dharma-suit wearer was revealed to be Jin. Great ending!

I'm still loving Frank Lapidas appearing (Jack's face said it all), and then the end to that scene with Lapidas saying "we're not going to Guam, are we?". It was one of those rare times where a Lost cliffhanger moment was way more laughs and smiles than surprise or shock.

I really liked the Lapidus moment, as well. He just rolls with the punches, doesn't he?

But, overall, I have to agree with rogue. This episode, as packed as it was with answers, just didn't make me feel anything. I know they had to get them back to the island to advance the plot, but it didn't feel as though there was enough time devoted to the conflict everyone must have felt over that decision. Oh well, I'm sure that side will be further explored in later flashbacks.

And... ugh! Eloise Hawking? A more ham-handed exposition than the one she gave I can't imagine. I was cringing every time she spoke.

Didn't hate it, but I agree it was missing a little something. Didn't help that all of the most interesting moments (Ben, Sayid, Kate & Hurley--imagine there was interesting stuff with Sun, too) happened off-camera. I'm not sure how working those scenes into our new status quo will flow.

I felt the callback to the first scene of the series was a little over-the-top, especially shown twice.

Man, I sure hope Ben was unsuccessful in murdering Penny. Hopefully, Desmond and little Charlie are okay, too.

the guy that wished Jack his condolences in the airport, he was shown in the same section ast the rest of the oceanic 6, i wonder what his part in this is.

I was thinking 'Widmore's Man' the whole time. And he seemed familiar too, but maybe I just recognize the actor.

Matt, love the Kate pregnant / Claire's place theory.

And I do think we'll find out what Sayid, Hurley and Kate were up to just before the plane left in the next few episodes. Ben too--and maaaaaan, Penny better be okay!

I definitely thought this episode was good, I like how it re-visited Jack's inability to take a leap of faith, and how shaken he was when his father's shoes fell into his hands, and then Locke's letter kept coming back to him. Matthew Fox does a good job of conveying Jack's nervousness.

I LOVE that Hurley bought up all the other seats on the flight. True hero, he is. Also, the fact that he was reading Y: The Last Man.

I'm not bothered by how Hurley and Sayid got there, or where Aaron is, or what convinced Kate to come, I'm sure that will be explained soon.

By the way, I just listened to that recording of the numbers earlier in this thread - I don't think it sounds particularly like Hurley.

YAY! I've finally caught up with all of this season's episodes except for the latest one and since this isn't a Legion World 'LOST' thread without a confused poster randomly asking questions and making references to events that happened episodes (or, in a certain someone's case , *seasons*) ago, I'm just going to dive right in with my thoughts.

First things first - Thankyou God for 'LOST'! Man I love this show! I just don't get why so many people seem to have such a hate-on for it. Actually I do get it. And I feel sorry for them.

I was a latecomer to this show, having moved around a lot while the first few seasons were on, and I watched season 1 & 2 & most of 3 all in one big chunk on DVD and Tivo. Just like I did with this season's episodes - and man, that is *definitely* the best way to watch it. The show can sometimes be a bit confusing or meandering but when you just immmerse yourself in it for a few hours of dedicated viewing you really appreciate the intricate and exciting stoytelling and the delicate web that holds all the characters and events together! Needless to say not having the annoying adverts or skip-weeks/months or spoilery previews and stuff is a huge plus too.

Anyway, on to the episodes -

* I was very sorry to see Charlotte die in (my) latest episode as I've become a big fan of all the Freighter newbies. I guess it was inevitable though. Major 'word' to whomever it was upthread that spotted the crackling chemistry between her and Daniel too. I was really pulling for those two by the end. That's one thing that this show can get SO, SO right at times by the way - 'Romance'. It's usually the least interesting aspect in storytelling to me but with these two and ESPECIALLY with the awesome Desmond and Penny I was almost moved to tears in wanting to see them together. It can also misfire a bit too though as in with the Kate/Sawyer and Kate/Jack pairings, neither of which do anything for me.

* Loved all the crazy surprises we've seen so far this season - Widmore on the island! Danielle! (Shame they couldn't get the same actress to play her though. Or show more of her story. Danielle's too abrupt death was one of my few complaints about last season and that may have made up for it a bit.) Charlotte knowing Daniel as a little girl! Miles has been on the island before too! Jin's alive! (Not much of a surprise but still.) Ana-Lucia! (Another big fan of her here.) The weird smoke-monster temple! Creepy old time-travelling lady! If you had to describe 'LOST' in one word, for me it would be "thrilling". In every episode I know there is going to be something to pump my blood. And I love it for it.

* Not that 'LOST' gets everything right. I have been disappointed to see that this season has continued and even amped up its habit of killing the red-shirt background survivors with barely even a word of acknowledgement or sadness from any of the main ones. These people have been going through shit together for MONTHS. They shouldn't be so laissez-faire about these losses! I've been sorry to lose them too because I'd been hoping that more than just the main few would make it off the island in the end (if any of them do at this rate) and it's looking increasingly less likely that they will.

* One group that I definitely am looking forward to seeing the overdue brutal deaths of though are the 'Others'. After all the shitty things they've done to everybody else on this island and all the deaths they've caused from everyone in the Dhama Initiative to half the Losties and whomever else they may have come across (Henry Gale springs to mind) I've completely lost all sympathy or tolerability for them. I want Richard and everyone else wearing a drab brown shirt on that island as dead as the polar bears all seem to be before the season is done!

* On that note, as FANTASTIC as I think the acting of Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson is, I'm getting a bit tired of Locke and Ben too. Move on with their stories or kill them and be done with it already.

Wish-list for this season -

* More dead character sightings - Charlie! Mr Eko! Shannon! Boone! Ana-Lucia! Nikki! Paulo! Libby! Danielle! Michael! ...
* Dead Others!
* An explanation for the four-toed statue!
* More Vincent!
* Walt!
* Claire!
* Someone to punch/kill Ben!
* More bad-ass Sun! (I got really excited when they hinted for a moment that she blamed Kate for Jin's 'death' and looked like whe was about to extract cruel revenge.)
* Evil Aaron! (Or whatever that old prophecy from season 1 was.)
* A 'LOST' spin-off show! (Think of the possibilities!)

As some of you have pointed out that the characters on the Ajira flight are surrogates for other characters, that got me thinking about Ben. Does Ben equal a surrogate for Sawyer?

Sawyer had just killed someone as, presumably, has Ben. However, remember that the man Sawyer murdered was a case of mistaken identity...so maybe Ben didn't kill Penny but someone else he thought was Penny?

Well, at least there's hope, right?

I found myself wondering what time period they landed in when we see Jin in the VW bus. The condition of the bus and Jin's clothes would make you think that they are all in the past, but the fact that Jin has longer hair and is not sunburned or bruised and battered signifies that it might be after we saw him on the island last. Jin can't possibly still be leaping in time? Surely he'd have nosebled to death by now???

Time must move differently on the island (besides all the skipping around I mean). For the Oceanic 6, they have been back in the real world for 3 years now? But the Losties back skipping on the island couldn't possibly have been bouncing around for 3 years, they would all have died like Charlotte by now, right??

My head hurts. I love this show to pieces, but my head hurts.