Legion World Forums LEGION COMPANION The Anywhere Machine Lost Season Five (Spoilers Aplenty!)

Time more less doesnt move on the island, thats why Richard always looks young. IMO

I think you're assuming the scene of the "Returnees" on the island is in their present - 3 years after they left. But they were engulfed in light and they don't remember crashing. I think that once they were in the vicinity of the island, they became susceptable to the white light the same way Jin and the others are -- they're *all* in the past (presumably at the same time we saw before when Daniel was seen working for Dharma as well).

I would also think that the plane did crash after the Returnees (and Lapidas?) disappeared, but the plane didn't time-jump, just the Returnees.

Well there's a hint of the latest plane crash...

And tonight we have an episode devoted to Locke. What more could anyone ask for? We see his trip down the rabbit hole and his death, and all points in between.

I will say Ben's little outburst makes me think Penny wasn't his target last week.

And if the notion that Ben was representing Sawyer on the plane holds any water, than his killing Locke would fit--so maybe Penny is still alive after all.

All in all, a great episode, as usual for one of Locke's. More questions raised but lots of gaps filled in.

Its interesting that Ben kept telling Locke he's special and then killed him--obviously he was lying, playing on Locke's fears and just trying to get back to the island. What made him change? Maybe the mention of Eloise Hawking? Ben realized he could do it without Locke? Or he knew Locke had to die all along? That makes you wonder if Widmore was being honest with Locke.

The Widmore/Locke scenes were especially good. That's the most vulnerable and normal we've seen Widmore yet. And it confirms that Widmore ran the Others for 'nearly three decades'. Perhaps the 60's (he'd be in his 20's by then), the 70's and the 80's, with some potential crossing into the 90's--probably then, he was banished around 1992, after the Purge, and probably Ben used the Purge as the means to do so. Very interested in finding out.

Which makes me wonder, who led the others before Widmore? Just Richard? Or Jacob directly through Richard?

I think Ben killed Eloise. He knows she knows how to find the island. And if Locke learned of her from Widemore, than Ben knows Widemore knows she knows, you know?

IMO,He went to kill Penny, he is at the marine yard and he is soaking wet. Penny and Desmond are docked at the marina.
Ben's reaction to the fact that Jin was alive was what set things in motion for Ben, he was very surprised Jin was alive. imo
I also agree that islanders are seperated from the returnee's by time. It may be even 3 groups, islanders, returnees' and crash survivors in 3 different time periods.

I don't know if it's three groups - Jin jumped with the Islanders and Jin was with the Returnees at the end of last ep, so I think they're tied to the same time-jumps.

I'm more interested in where Lapidas went (and with a woman? My memory is fuzzy - could he be with the woman escorting Sayid or was she seen with the new crash survivors?)

Ben definitely had a reaction to Jin's survival, but I think it was the mention of Ellie that made him decided to kill Locke.

I think Ben and Widmore are the same - just on opposite sides and none of them really want Locke in charge. It just shows they both have a similar gameplan in manipulating Locke towards their own agendas.

Really good episode... it did a nice job filling in the blanks from point A to B. I am a bit muddled on how much time this spanned, however.

It seemed as though Locke's suicide attempt immediately followed meeting with Jack, as he still had the marks from his accident. But if that were the case, how long would that body have to hang around prior to Jack's going to the funeral home? Certainly Jack's beard was a lot more grown out, and he had previously mentioned to Kate that he had been "flying a lot" hoping for a crash. Doesn't that mean that quite a bit of time would have to have passed between Locke's death and his viewing at the funeral home?

Anyway.

One other thing... the actor playing Abbadon. Wow, can he play "dead" or what? I don't think I've ever seen a dead body on a TV show look as realistically dead as he did in this episode. Odd thing to comment upon, I know, but it really took me aback.

The Lostpedia article on this episode answers a question I had about exactly where Caesar, Locke and the rest of the new plane crash survivors ended up on the island, with the office space and all. It says they're on Hydra Island, where Jack, Kate and Sawyer were holed up for a good chunk of Season Three and where Jack performed the operation on Ben. Was that immediately obvious to everyone else?

Anyhow, it's good to see this setting being used again.

I would never have realized it from that episode if you didn't point that out to me. Now that you have, I agree, good to see this setting used again.

And it would make sense then that the canoes are there, since we know the Others had that type of stuff there (or Dharma did). So then the remaining two canoes will be taken to the main island, where eventually a time-traveling Sawyer & Co. will take one for themselves. Cool.

Hmmm, I don't think that makes sense. Sawyer and the others happened upon the remains of their camp while wandering on the island proper a few episodes ago. Of course, there was no plane, so maybe it was a different camp of theirs.

Well, what I think will happen is the Locke group will leave the Hydra Island and get to the main island with the two canoes. Then they'll go off into the woods somewhere, where the Sawyer group will find the canoes and take one.

I'm really wondering who was with Lapidas and where they went.

we know that kate, hurley and Jack are together whenever, ben is with the returnees. Sun and Sayid are missing, its possible that Sun is the one with Lapidas, then where is Sayid?

I noticed you could see the other island in the background, but I didn't put it together that they were on the smaller island.

I wonder if this could relate to the "airstrip" that the Other were building a couple of seasons back?

And it looks like it will probably be the new crash survivors who end up shooting at Sawyer, et al.?

Who was the "funeral director" in the episode where Jack visits John's body at the funeral home? Wasn't it the Avedon guy?

To me, the best thing about this episode was that it returned Ben to a condition of villainy. I'd been forgetting recently what a horrible person he is. However, it's also clear that, despite his efforts to keep Widmore and Locke from becoming leader, he ends up serving fate (in this case by killing Locke, which needed to happen anyway).

No. I don't think he was anybody significant.

I was feeling this way after last episode with him showing up all bloody. The bastard!

Got to say EDE, I feel cheated not getting to see Ben beat down. There's certain things about LOST: Hurley's "Dude!", Sun's facial emtions, Kate's freckles, and Ben getting hit.

Right now, i'm feeling kinda... lost.

Now *that's* an episode.

From seeing the giant statue in the far distant past, to answers & secret histories galore, to an awesome Sawyer/Alpert scene, to Juliet finally having an amazing scene since Season 3 and to finally Sawyer just giving one of his most powerful scenes yet. Well done, indeed.

PS - Jin speaks English now! Yay!

Agreed... awesome episode. The 3-year framework was used to a really nice effect.

I'm sure pics will be online within an hour or so, but did that statue have... cat ears? I guess that four-toed thing makes a little more sense now.

Loved Sawyer's "Z-Boy" hair and, of course, his confrontation with Alpert.

But... two weeks until the next one??? NOOOOOOOO!

i enjoyed seeing the statue, was it from behind? but it was pretty much the only thing i really enjoyed, it was a good episode but to me, not on par with the rest of the shows.
2 weeks til next show??? noooooooooooooo

Still thinking back to last week's episode (since the new one's not on here on the West Coast for another 15 minutes), I think Ben will try to convince Locke he had to kill him, because the island couldn't resurrect Locke if his death was self-inflicted. Hey, true or not, that's what I'd try to reassure Locke the next time I crossed paths with him.

And wasn't there an episode where Michael tried to kill himself but the gun jammed, and he was told he wouldn't be able to take his own life as long as the island still needed him? I bet if Locke had stepped off the table last week, the ceiling would have collapsed or something (termites rotting the wood...whatever the excuse would be) and Locke wouldn't have been able to hang himself. He needed to be dead so the new plane would have a body (a la Christian, Jack's dad).

EDE -- I had the opposite reaction to Ben's smackdown. He's just such a fragile mouseguy, when he's beat up I feel sorry for him. I can't help it.

OC -- It's still an open question to me whether Ben is fulfilling the island's wishes, thwarting them, or both.

The statue looked awfully Egyptian to me--the kilt, the thing on the head, the flat posture. I thought of cat ears as well. Maybe a relative of Bast?

The statue definitely looked Egyptian to me as well. The fact that the leader's name is Horace (Horus) is another Egyptian connection. If Charlotte is right and the island is death, could it be Anubis?

This was a great episode! As fun as the latest episodes have been, they've been a bit plot heavy. This was a welcome flip to a more emotional episode, while still throwing in a lot of movement to the story.

For a show that could have easily fallen apart or failed to sustain the intense intrigue that made it popular, they've really cranked it up and I am as glued to each new devlopment as I was the first two years!

At least everyone who left the island and those left on the island have gone through the same amount of time...3 years, 25 years in the past. But that would mean time moves the same on the island, at least thats what happened on last nights episode, 3 years later when Jin came upon the returnees

Death and rebirth, to me. That's Osiris. Anubis gets a bad rap, incidentally. He's not an evil god of death, he is actually the master of the death process, the god of mummification, and a son of Osiris. Set, sterile god of the desert (representative of lifeless chaos to the Egyptians) is the closest they had to an "evil" god. BTW, I know all of this because my son, now six, has been obsessed with Egyptian mythology since he was three years old. Yes, he will probably grow up to wield ultimate power on a supernatural time-hopping island.