Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! LSH 45 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ SPOILERS!

oh blockade boy, i love you. imperiex combined with the trix rabbit, the legion's greatest enemy.

I liked this issue a lot. Manapul's return was welcome. Yeah, there are lots of people not into his style. But, with so much buzz around Legion of Three Worlds and predictions of the demise of this version of the team, it's nice to see him plugging away, working hard, and continuing to develop his vision of the 31st century and the team. It feels fresh and looks good.

Reading the story reminded me of Lard Lad's questions a while back in his roundtable thread about why some people aren't getting into Shooter's return. It seems to be boiling down to the fact that this isn't the Legion that people recognize or feel comfortable with. The personalities are different than previous versions. They are all developing into recognizable characters in their own right. They are becoming more interesting to me with each issue.

FYI gang,
I haven't picked this issue up yet, but your discussion about it has me very intrigued.

I'll post again when I read it.

Yep, or rooftops...

Like Sketch Lad, I haven't read the issue yet but the discussion is certainly interesting. The first thing that comes to mind regarding Imra is somebody's mind controlling her - and maybe other legionnaires - not totally, just to put them off balance.

However, reckless made very interesting points which apply to the whole series, that these legionnaires are more ambiguous morally than in the past versions. Whether or not that's the explanation for Imra's behaviour, time may tell (or not). I wouldn't mind seeing at least one happy, stable couple, though.

No, it should be a panel remimiscent of the confrontation scene ENB scripted from ADVENTURE #351--Lyle knocking U-Boy on his naked ass!! Something else else Garth will probably due in the very near future...

Have thought that for months. On Triton when Imra mindlinked with Giselle, SOMETHING happened between the two. Giselle underwent a physical transformation and became much more assured. Imra has sprialled down into a mess. That cannot be mere coincidece can it?

I was thinking something similar with her having tried to read the minds of the life eradicators.

Do Projectra and Brin count? Since I haven't read this issue yet, I don't know if anything happened to their relationship in it, but they have been pretty consistent and have shown that they would do a lot for one another -- Jeckie letting the "peasant" tourists take her picture for Brin; Brin following Jeckie to the center of town and also completely calming down after his fight with Imra and Tinya when she comes in. They certainly seem to improve when they are together. I wonder if Shooter sees some irony in taking two of the most dysfunctional characters in the group and putting them in what appears to be an almost healthy relationship, while the relationship between the supposedly stable Imra and Garth may be on the rocks.

The Imra mindlinking idea is intriguing. Out of curiousity, could there be a spiralling effect that might be influencing other members? She tamped down Brin right after that. Has she influenced any other members who have shown odd or irrational behavior? (I have to admit that I'm not a big fan of this, because it provides a convenient excuse for Imra's cheating and provides an easy "out" when it comes to actually dealing with the consequences of cheating on Garth.)

Hey, as a middle-age woman and on behalf of all middle-aged women everywhere in the galaxy, I resemble that remark!

Come to think of it, she does look like Action Imra.

Nix on the mind-linking idea. Shooter won’t let Imra off the hook so easily, but he will make us feel sorry for her before it's all over.

Neither here nor there, and I haven't even read the issue yet, but how about: Tenzil. Not physically threatened, or scared even, but threatened that he could really sum her up in several sentences and possibly be her social undoing if he wanted to? Its possible, but of course, Tenzil would never do that. Obviously not in thus boot, but you weren't limiting your implication to that. Just a thought...

That's an interesting observation!

I'm kind of hoping for something less along the 'ultra-pheremones' line (which sounds creepily like 'ultra-roofies') and something more along the lines of Jo being much like how Trips summed him up much earlier in the threeboot, as intensely emotionally needy / lonely and in the Legion almost entirely because of his need to be surrounded by a 'gang.'

Saturn Girls reactions are all over the map, much like Garth's seemed to have been earlier. Almost everyone on the team has been yawing between reasonable and out of control.

1) Invisible Kid threw a completely out-of-character hissy fit last issue (even if it was well-deserved).

2) Projectra has gone from Cordelia-esque to petty thievery and even assault.

3) Brin has gone from 'grouchy loner' to 'psychotic nutjob.'

4) Brainy 'gives up' and then doesn't give up.

5) Ayla's having a crying fit and then 'over it.'

6) Garth is 'incompetent' and 'weak-minded,' and then decisive and in-control.

7) Imra is in control and then wildly out-of-control.

8) Atom Girl goes from probably the most confident and self-assured Legionnaire to breaking down.

9) Element Lad goes from being the voice of moderation, always spouting platitudes when he should be fighting, to calling Garth an idiot to his face.

10) Trips insults Invisible Kid, complaining that he doesn't even belong on a mission.

11) Karate Kid flips out and destroys the comm-robot while threatening Lightning Lad about his mission selection that endangered Trips.

12) Ultra Boy is all, "Oh, I don't do that." and four pages later is 'doing that.'

That leaves, what, Chameleon, Phantom Girl, Shadow Lass, Colossal Boy and Star Boy, as the only Legionnaires who *haven't* behaved noticeably, even suspiciously, out-of-character in the last six issues?

Someone, methinks, is attempting to destroy the Legion from within. This isn't just 'oh, Saturn Girl is having a breakdown.' It's Saturn Girl, Lightning Lad, Element Lad, Brainiac Five, Projectra, Timber Wolf, Ultra Boy, Triplicate Girl, Invisible Kid, Karate Kid *and* Atom Girl, all acting 'oddly.'

What are the chances that any writer would screw up *his own characterizations* on almost every character? I might be seeing a pattern where none exists, but, at this point, I suspect that we are way past coincidence and well into enemy action...

set: interesting theory.

yet...

i find it telling that none of us can tell if they're acting strange on purpose or if this is badly written.

Obviously those aren't the only 2 choices, because some people have expressed how they're enjoying this era of characterization.

If they are being portrayed differently from other eras or if they are acting more extremely due to villainy is hardly about bad writing. It's about being different from expected. So, there are obviously more than two options.

Maybe like this guy .

The point remains that it could just be bad writing. I know as a long time reader of comics (not just the Legion) I have seen my share of bad writing. Unless I see more in future issues, I'm leaning towards bad writing.

Yep, or a stairwell in a hostel in Copenhagen with that Australian girl or... uh I mean uh... it could happen.

I'm with Set.
Something else else is wrong in this Legion.
Maybe a bad aura like the short story of Duo Damsel in Action Comics.
I'm worry about Projectra. She need to be in control again. It's my favorite female legionnaire.
The Imra-Jo affair is a logical option, but what about Shaddy? In the Waid run she is the Jo's couple.
And nobody notice the Nigth Girl's costume and hairdo are different from the 48's cover?
And again ....
Where are Sun Boy, Tenzil, Wildfire and Dream Boy?

There also seems to be a lot of "dark" forces on DC books recently as an overall tone (even Teen Titans) and lots of characters' misplacements in time. Could be all part of Final Crisis reshaping of DC books too.

I had basically the same reaction... this issue left a bad taste in my mouth. I've liked some versions of the Legion better than others, liked some legionnaires themselves better than others but I've never before put a Legion comic down after reading and thought "I don't like these people".

Projectra is being TOO imperious... it's just not interesting and seems like lazy writing/characterization. Imra's behaviour is beyond belief. I too would have liked a word of concern from "El" about "Trips". Who are these people?

I remember being stunned when I found out those early Adventure stories by Shooter were written by a 13 year old. But they seem more on target with true emotion than his current writing does.

I'm hoping this issue is just one minor set back as I've enjoyed Shooter's take on this Legion up until now.

"Dear Time Trapper, can you please take time out of your Lo3W appearance and wipe this issue out of current continuity? Thank you."

i'd be more inclined to believe the "evil is afoot" theory if some of the characters were going "hey, Whatever Lass is acting pretty strange recently". other than IN THIS ISSUE phantom girl going "wtf, jeckie :/", i haven't seen anything.

i HOPE evil is afoot. i truly, truly wish it was. if it is, i'll like these books a lot better.

Projectra. We haven't(and guess we won't without flashbacks) seen life on her world. Maybe there was a deep social divide and having a nasty attitude towards commoners was natural. As for why it's so pronounced now, she has lost everything. No longer a diplomat, the money seized, etc, etc. maybe this attitude is her defensive shell against all of the terrible changes in her life.

As for Saturn Girl and Ultra Boy, well I don't see a wedding ring on either hand. What's the problem?

As for not liking them, well they are rather heroic. The snotty Projectra fought against Lemnos, and arranged for those looters to be arrested by the Sci-Police.

and lets not forget that all of them have in recent issues have put their butts on the line, despite facing death on worlds they don't come from, and dealing with a ungrateful and sneaky government. and in the face of all of that they continue to fight and try to make their galaxy a better place to live.

I like these guys. They aren't lucky charms sweet, but neither are they over the top nasty like the Boys. long live the legion. so say we all.

Well you guys, I think it's good writing.

I fully expected to read this issue, and be stunned by all the terrible depictions of the Legionnaires and I wasn't.

First of all, I'm a M'rrisey fan. I love what he's done so far and I loved this speed-negotiation with the president. He's a keeper!

I'm not used to Saturn Girl saying no to a mission, but it was appropriate, here. Is Garth being too hard on her to show that he's not giving her preferential treatment because she's his girlfriend? Good question. Good writing.

This is not Shrinking Violet. Atom Girl is mad that she got hurt in a fight and that the fight was interrupted. Gim's pep talk wasn't good enough. This story will continue....

Brainy is totally rude and totally effective.

I like that Garth calls the president by her first name. Cocky, confident. Are they flirting? Not sure. I'm curious. Good writing.

Imra/Jo. They're attracted to each other. He's just totally going for it, pushing buttons, being brazen. He's dipping her pigtails in the inkwell. She's insulted. She's coy. She's repulsed. Then the quakes. He shows concern for her. He shows concern for the facility. She says "no... wait." OMG, get a room... and they sorta do... the pantry. The problem is that she's "with" Garth. We'll just have to see how that part plays out. I'm interested. I think it's good writing and I'm a lifelong Saturn Girl fan. I expected to be grossed out or outraged. I'm not.

What I don't like is this Peasant-hater Projectra. However, like wamu2 says above, she's been through a lot. Again, I want to know what's next for her.

The scene with LL and El had plenty of Legion-y fun.

Brainy wasn't as rude when he delivered the goods, with the aid of exhausted Ayla and Thom. I love that the next step was.... wait for it... communication! I'm a Lafong fan!

I liked this issue. I guess I'll have to read the spoilers beforehand more often!

So, I've taken to getting LSH issues when I go to the comic book store for other things. That way I can put the threeboot out of my mind by reading what else I picked up. But I was shopping nearby yesterday so I went in to pick up just this latest issue. That was a mistake.

In the space of a few pages, Saturn Girl went from one of the DC Universe's pioneering female heroes to just pathetic.

Brainy's "manipulation" of Star Boy and Light Lass was so transparent that it's hard to believe they didn't just roll their eyes and agree with each other to play along with his drama.

Though I'm disliking these characters more and more, I've usually been able to enjoy Mr. Shooter's issues because of the quick action and tendency to show a broad cast of legionnaires (some of whom I can still like). But the action in this issue was Brainy sitting in a chair or acting like a twit and other legionnaires not getting really worked up about the latest crisis. Thank goodness I still got to see a few palatable depictions of other legionnaires.

But, what really saved the issue for me is that I care so little about the threeboot. Dress Saturn Girl up as French maid and chain her to a bed next issue. You might as well have some fun ruining it all for me.