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I still haven't finished the first two episodes. Man, Tigh is BLEAK. The Starbuck in prison story needs to be resolved soon. I'm not much for the prison drama. She's one of the only strong females on TV, let's not turn her into too much of a victim. Wondering about the symbolism of Chubby Apollo. Great speech where Apollo and Adama go back and forth over the decision to go back to New Caprica. Again, I've said it before, but BEST SHOW ON TV.

wow. Great stuff.

Any doubts about the new storyline are put to bed.

Based on the premise of the 10-part story arc, I'm guessing either Adama's initial rescue attempt fails, or they spend a looong time getting to it - a la Starbuck's return to Caprica.

Right now, I'm betting on the latter, but it could even be both, I suppose.

OMG the Pegasus is no more!! this was a really kick ass episode. still kinda wondering if Col. Tigh's wife desereved her fate or not after thinking she was nothing more than an oppertunistic C.U.N.Toledo. she really cared for the Col. and did what she did to get him freed. no i'm wondering what's gonna happen to some of the Cylon colaberaters in the following episodes.

MUST...AVOID...SPOILERS!!!

my bad L.L. keep forgetting about you folks west of the Mississippi

No problem John. I haven't gotten to watch one epi yet this season. And my showing taped 2 1/2 hours ago, 7:00 PM local. I may stay up late tonight and try to catch up.

Quick thoughts: Awesome effects this episode! Loved how Pegasus's fate mirrored the original series version somewhat (though much less ambiguous!). And the twist with Kacey at the end---I really felt for Starbuck.

Wonder if Starbuck loses the long hair like Adama lost the 'tache?

Agreed - they really pulled out the stops with this epic space battle! Both Battlestars looked like there was an added level or two of effects to make them more relistic and given more depth.

At the end of last season I was just waiting for the Pegasus to get blown up somehow, but I was so into the story this season I didn't see it coming that they'd ditch Pegasus here.

I'm glad they didn't drag out the New Caprica story too much, but on the other hand, I thought they'd stay there longer - at least the bulk of this half-season. Now it almost seems like the "reset button" has been pushed.

I'm actually glad Starbuck doesn't have a kid weighing her down. Some characters are just better to watch when they're miserable to give them as edge and Starbuck is one of them. I can see this experience ruining her marriage (which would make her even edgier). And yeah, if she's piloting a viper again I fully expect her to cut her hair, as I expect Apollo will start to shed those pounds.

Looks like Starbuck's's hair will be cut (!), and she'll get some (more) payback if that's who I think it is!

Anyhow, I figured Pegasus would come to Galactica's rescue in the previous episode when the Adamas decided to split them up. I wasn't surprised it bit the dust during the battle either.

Yeah, the New Caprica story ended a little too quickly, but I wouldn't say we're back to status quo. Lots of repercussions to come, I'd say.

I was a little surprised that no main or recurring characters died, other than Tigh's wife. I thought that Chief, Calleigh, Tigh or Kara's hubby might buy it. I don't know if I'm disappointed per se, but definitely surprised.

BG has had a surprisingly small "name" body count for such a large cast. Only Billy and Tigh's wife among long term characters, I believe (I don't count Kane and her first officer because of the "longterm" qualification). It is commendable, though, that the producers don't take the characters lightly or disposable.

That said, I don't "buy" Tigh killing his wife storywise. Why not simply leave her planetside or take her to face tribunal? Maybe I've answered my own question: he thought of it as a mercy killing, rather than have her face those.

And, yes, it's good to keep Kara edgy. The psychological torture she went through will make her even moreso. She's a great character, and I see rougher times ahead after all she's been through. Look out Cylons!!

Friday night's show was among the best hours of television I have ever watched. The space battles, Adama's speech, the resolution of some rather mystifying storylines, the death of Tigh's wife (never liked her), everyone's back in space and on the run, the Pegasus diving into battle, the wreckage of the Pegasus taking out a few Cylon Base Stars, WOW! What a great way to start off the season--raise some questions, answer them, return to basic status quo with a few lingering BIG questions, like what's going to happen to Hera, is there anyone left on New Caprica, what's going to happen to Baltar...I'm going to try to get my wife on board with this show.

I kinda guessed right from the coming attractions a week earlier that The Pegasus WOULD be there "(2 Battlestars just warped into orbit!") but was actually kept guessing DURING the episode itself. I figured, The commander of The Pegasus had a history of NOT obeying orders (whether it was Lloyd Bridges or Lee Adama). "I guess you didn't understand my orders." "I never could read your handwriting." These 2 have come some a long way since the series began!

I disliked Ellen Tigh since her debut... and yet... I genuinely felt more sympathy for her than anything else. I was shocked when her husband went thru with it... If it'd been me, I would have actually, at that point, just chalked it up to ONE MORE horrible, unforgivebly EVIL thing the Cylons were responsible for, forgiven her, and HATED THEM all the more. Dean Stockwell's character currently TOPS my list of tv characters I want to see DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!!!! (And NOT coming back...)

My jaw DROPPED when Adama pulled that stunt, "jumping" INTO the atmosphere, and as the ship plunged, almost out of control, fire everywhere from the friction or re-entry, all the Vipers launched THRU the flames. And then, before it was too late, JUMPED again!! WHOA!!! If any ships had that capability on the old show, you never saw it. This was definitely more STAR BLAZERS-- which was the original inspiration for the old show, anyway.

Same thing with The Pegasus. When The Pegasus WASN'T destroyed at the end of the story that introduced it, I figured... hey, they're going into unknown territory with the story now! It was somehow more horrifying, to me, to see it get SO BADLY damaged so quickly, past any hope, than almost anything else in the show. My jaw dropped-- again-- when the dying hulk of it RAMMED straight into one of the Cylon Base Ships. WOW. Again-- JUST like on STAR BLAZERS when The Yamoto rammed BROADSIDE into Desslok's flagship. (Or, as my pal Kevin pointed out, when they rammed The Comet Empire, destroying both-- but that was only in the movie version...) Watching the wreckage flying everywhere, I thought, well, NO QUESTION about the ship's fate as there had been on the old show. (If I'd been writing a 2nd season for the original series, I would DEFINITELY have brought back Lloyd Bridges for another story.) Considering the legacy of EVIL perpetuated on The Pegasus, it's probably fitting it "redeemed" itself by going out the way it did.

Baltar's plea to the Cylon leaders struck me as the most intelligent thing he's said in the entire run of the show, so far. I suppose he figures after last week he HIT BOTTOM, and has nothing left to fear. I think Gata saw this when Baltar was just TOO EAGER for him to KILL him-- and as a result, he didn't. Will Baltar "join" the Cylons (as in the early episodes of the old show) or will he be "exiled" (as he was in the final episode of the old show)? After all, it doesn't look like anyone will be in a hurry to return to "New Caprica".

I was relieved to find out the girl wasn't Kira's. That BASTARD she kept killing over and over almost ranks up there with Dean Stockwell's character in the "evil" department. It would have been nice if Kira had said to the little girl (after killing the "father"), "It's not love if you FORCE someone."

And finally... I'd kinda rank Lucy Lawless' Cylon somewhere in the "middle"-- just moderately evil. It's been maddening how, as she spelled out very clearly, EVERYTHING the Cylons have done has been out of the STUPID fear that humans will eventually want to destroy them. This may change-- drastically. Oh, am I looking forward to developments now...!

A little slower tonight but lots of movement in plot and character. Starbuck is moving away from her hubby, Six is moving away from Baltar, Tigh is, I think, still a little unstable and is D'Anna going soft on Gaius?

I found myself really startled at theg fact that Chief didn't know Gaeta was the mole. That just struck me as a plot mis-step, how in the world could he not have known, and even better, how in the world would he have left any stone unturned until he did know? A simple stake-out of the "dog bowl" wouold have given him answers.

It just struck me as too far of a leap to believe. Otherwise, still my fave show on tv!

I could see Cheif not wanting to know who the informer was and vice versa out of fear that one would get caught and be forced to tell who the other is. I can't figure out how they worked out a system over a dog bowl without some consultation, though.

Tigh flushed his soul down the toilet when he killed his wife. Him ever regainng stability would be a bit much in my mind.

Maybe it was in the on line webisodes but it was made very clear that the mole approached Chief without a face to face. Chief made a point of saying that he still did not know who the mole was and it was probably safer for both that he doesn't.

All 'conversations' were through a drop at the dump (the first was a note left in Chief's pocket.) and the dog bowl was set up soon after.

I don't know if the webisodes are still posted.

The anonymity of the informer is consistent with the French underground in WW2. I didn't feel confused about it, or "need" to know how it was set up. Any online "webisodes" may add texture and detail, but should NEVER be necessary to understanding the actual tv series itself. (If they ever are, somebody's doing something wrong.)

What surprises me is how both Baltar & Starbuck are now closer to the way they were in the first 3 episodes of the original series than they ever were before-- PLOT-wise, at least. Suddenly, following an "exodus", Baltar is with the Cylons, and unsure of his life expentency. (Turns out, if he'd have escaped the tribunal, Roslin's amnesty would have allowed him "forgiveness". I wonder when or if he'll find this out?) Meanwhile, I believe it was in the 2nd episode of the original version that Starbuck's FIANCEE pushed him away, feeling after all that had happened that she didn't want to be close to anyone. (That was Athena, Adama's daughter, for any who missed it or forgot.) In this case, it's Starbuck who's doing the pushing away... though, in both cases, it was the woman in the relationship doing it. ("Never trust a woman." --Barry Fitzgerald / AND THEN THERE WERE NONE / 1945)

I enjoyed the episode a lot. I was somewhat surprised that Jammer died in the opening because he had so many scenes on New Caprica. I thought that maybe he'd become featured more and would be shown trying to redeem himself while keeping his secret. In any case his execution was that much more effective because of those scenes. It shows that many of the so-called colaborators had their own side to the story.

I think it was heavily implied that Tigh is back on the sauce again in the scene where he and Adama had words. Not surprising with all the hell he's been through. Wonder how he feels now that he knows Ellen would've been granted amnesty in the end?

Starbuck's definitely in a dark place. I didn't foresee her cutting ties with Sam so quickly, though I knew it was coming. She's a fascinating character, moreso when she's on the edge.

Interesting that Sam pulled out of the tribunal when he was the one who pushed Tigh to kill Ellen. I'm interested to see where Sam goes from here.

That scene with Lee and Adama--hilarious! The thing with Lee being a fatso now is kind of silly! I guess the fat-face thing's a prosthetic. It looks super-real and super-fake at the same time, somehow. Looks like he's got a few more 'stones' to go!

Galactica's looking a little crowded. Without it actually being said, this is obviously because it now houses its own crew and presumably most of Pegasus's.

Six and Baltar--on the outs? Hmmm...looks like Xena-Cylon's gonna be there to pick up the pieces! Horny toasters!

So do we have any idea how many people died in the 20 months since moving to New Caparica and rescue. Hundreds? Thousands? What's the current population? Just curious as to what the population now stands at, as compared to when Galactica first began running and also when the Pegasus joined them.

They haven't said yet. I'm also curious.

Starbuck is a bit of a mystery to me. It's obvious that she's been through a lot, but we haven't exactly seen what it was. Certainly understandable that she doesn't want anything to do with a husband after the gruesome "apartment," but why the heck was that particular Cylon so interested in her? Is there something in previous seasons that I missed?

It's a mystery.

Leoben has been interested in Starbuck ever since they had that fun series of dates in the interrogation chamber. (Well, at least from his point of view.)

Leoben, in particular, is a very strange Cylon. It remains to be seen if his fixation on Starbuck is somehow part of their "plan" that we hear about at the beginning of each episode... but I kind of believe it somehow is.

There was a population count at the beginning of Friday's episode, somewhere around 41,400 IIRC. Whatever the count was at the beginning of last season's finale should give a good estimate of how many were lost since New Caprica. Of course that would also include however many were lost when Pegasus-Six set off that nuke aboard Cloud-9 as well. I think the pop. count has been as high as 49-50,000+ in the past. If I'm right, the fleet lost a high percentage (possibly around 8,000--nearly 20%) of their people between the nuke and New Caprica.

And that's not counting any new births like that of Cally and Chief.

I remember seeing the population count in the opening credits and my jaw dropped. It's neat that they actually changed that to reflect the way the story's been progressing.

That Lee-Adama scne was one of the few times so far where their relationship began to remind me of how it was on the original show. Amazing how far they've BOTH come since this series started!

I thought I'd share this with everybody, scanned in from an old book-- 2 of my FAVORITE Frank Frazetta paintings!

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/kirby-l/photos/view/5dbf?b=13&m=f&o=0

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/kirby-l/photos/view/5dbf?b=14&m=f&o=0


Isn't it a shame the tv show wasn't as exciting as these promos???




Henry (now let's see if these links work...)

The links require me to join the web group first. I can't get to the pictures.