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Stargate did that once... I think in repeats, it was edited down to an hour. that bodes poorly... I'd rather have a 1.5 hour opener as well, as you suggest.

Given BSGs ratings for Sci-Fi, I don't think they are too worried about running a 90 minute repeat.

Seems to me like Baltar's Cylon detector got brushed aside in the rush of his getting involved in politics, Adama getting shot & recovering, half the fleet deserting & rejoining, and the appearance of The Pegasus. Sooner or later, Adama should really get on his ass about it. The last time it came up was when Baltar took the atomic bomb they gave him (which he claimed he needed as part of his research) and gave it to his "new girlfriend". (Wouldn't you just LOVE to see the newly reborn & REFORMED Six meet up with the Pegasus Six? Would she get her to change her tune-- or rip her head off?)


Looks like Baltar may be in hot water AGAIN next week...


"Stargate did that once... I think in repeats, it was edited down to an hour. that bodes poorly... I'd rather have a 1.5 hour opener as well, as you suggest."

I HATE editing. They keep making shows shorter to fit smaller time slots... you'd think they'd have the decency to keep at least NEW shows "intact".

Anyone know when the next season starts?

not soon enough.

Production begins in April so I'd say we'd be looking at a September start.

Okay, so I was off by a month . Twenty new episodes begin airing in October. Maybe those ten episodes with Lucy Lawless required some extra time to get ready.

okay, 8 minutes in... I LOVE Dean Stockwell! based on the first segment, he's eaithera cylon or (a) god!

Plus a DR Who promo!

17 min: so he's a cylon... or is he?

70 min... so the last 1/3 feels like a diferrenet episode... making me hopeful for prof's conjecture of a similar 1.5 hr 3rd season debut.

A significantt amount of time seems to have passed. interesting.

I like the antibiotics shortage... in reality, the fleet should have been long short of things like newspaper (we've seen an active printed as well as broadcast press. unlikely among a fleet of 50K).

Most of the cast POW? interesting. I think season 3 could get even darker and grittier.

Hmmm... I'm not sure I'm liking this turn of events... it's reminding me of the 5 year gap in Legion (which btw I loved). Just... not sure. You'd think if all this had occurred as we're led to believe that the other remaining copies would have been revealed.

And what of Prisoner Sharon?

Balthar is so fracking weak.

I have this nagging feeling that we've just jumped the shark.

further thoughts:

The escape for Caprica was very easy. I don't buy Stockwell's 'truce;' the end proves me right. obviously, the cylons were able to somewhat track the escapees (within a light-year, according to the end).

Baltar's election/Tigh's fraud? Do the ends justify the means? Obviously, elections fraud remains a real issue in 21st century USA; it's interesting to see a premise where one roots for the fraudsters.

Victim-six's suicide - didn't expect that. In light of the rest of the episode, makes sense in several ways. Whatever fleet remains will obviously be smaller and leaner, and less hospitable to the 5th columnists.

the colonization attempt does make sense, in a human gut reaction to the illusions of safety. It makes more sense than the 70s series passing by inhabitable world after world, but shame on them all for letting down their guard! But then, illusions of safety to facilitate more personocentric concerns and pursuits.

So what really happened to Boomer and Six's reform movement? Have they really changed cylon society? Or more likely, cylon society changed them. Even so, prisoners (other than for breeding) is something different for them.

So at least the cat-and-mouse chase is over, a new phase of the story begins!

Damn, I love this show!

HO-LEE S***!!!!!!!!!

Man. So many surprises. The priest is a Cylon! (Modern day mistrust of organized religion) Sharon & Six successfully change Cylon opinion. (OR DO THEY??? I was almost expecting a Civil War...) The election is FIXED!!! (more modern-day allegory) The guilty admit they're wrong, and RIGHT it... ask no question, please! Pegasus Six' scenes with Baltar were both touching and sad... a sort of "One last kiss before I die" (where have I heard something like this?). Clearly, Baltar didn't want the explosion investigated, because HE KNEW what had happened... stupid bastard. And then... WHOA!!!

"ONE YEAR LATER" Hmm, where have I seen that before? Oh yeah-- THIS WEEK at my comic-book store!!! (Don't forget one of the show's main writers is Mark Verheiden, who first made his mark writing for Dark Horse Comics!!) Almost makes me think they didn't want DC Comics beating them to the punch... or something, by running what seemed to me the first half-hour of the next season opener NOW. (Or maybe they just didn't wanna end a season without a cliffhanger... bastards!!!)

So many changes... Starbuck married, the Chief & Kalie also married, and expecting? Baltar so quickly falling into OPEN degeneracy (shades of Gaius Caligula... heh heh heh). AND THEN...!!!!

What a way to leave audiences hanging. WHY did the Cylons come back? Did they ever "reform"-- or did they change their minds AGAIN? HOW LONG will it be before Caprica Six lets Baltar know (if he hasn't figured it out already) that she IS the one he's in love with?

The colonies settling in a new land... Cylon occupation of the colonies... man, it's the JEWS and the ROMANS all over again!!! After I was just thinking how there was much less of a parallel in the new show than the old one, now the parallel is stronger than ever!

Meanwhile, if there is a parallel with the LEGION's "five years later"... I can only expect (and hope) this one will be done A LOT better.


And while I don't really believe it... the fact that we saw Baltar collapse, then wake up one year later, does make me SLIGHTLY suspicious... this COULDN'T-- POSSIBLY-- all be a DREAM in side his sick head-- could it? ("Judgement day, Gaius!")

Oh Baltar, you've done it again...!! First he lets one Six seduce him and wipe out earth, then he hands a nuke over to another Six who not only kills a bunch of people with the nuclear detonation, but it leads the Cylons right to them!

It'd be hilarious if Baltar still had a Six talking to him in his head while he's talking to Caprica Six who has Baltar in her head...

Ooooooh, I hate you Ron Moore! I can't take a six month break from this show when it ends on this note. Couldn't the season finale have been Black Market or Sacrifice? I could (and, actually, did) take a break from the show after those episodes.

But this one... AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!

Side note: Mary McDonnell can chew scenery without moving a muscle.

It's all Terry Nation's fault! He's the one who came up with the innovation of (GRRRRRRRRR) season-ending CLIFFHANGERS back in the late 70's when he did BLAKE'S 7!

I just thought of another parallel-- and it's from the original BG. In the 3rd episode, popular opinion changes, and Sire Uri (Ray Milland) convinces everyone to settle on the planet they've stopped over at, it's safe, we no longer have anything to fear from the Cylons, if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone... WHAT AN A**H***!!!!! (And the people LISTEN to him!!)

Meanwhile, Adama plots behind the cilvilian government's back, and with the help of Col. Tigh, Apollo, Starbuck, etc., manages to save the Colonial refugees-- IN SPITE of themselves. (Wonder how it'll play out this time, 6 months from now?)


By the way, I got a laugh out of Adama's new "MIAMI VICE" look...

a theory:

Caprica-6 and Boomer's movement was NOT immediately successful, but it was enough to cause Cylons to take a step back and think; a sort of philosophical 'civil war,' not a shooting one, begins.

Pegasus-six detonates the nuke, assuming she will die. But with Cylons one light year away, she resurrects onboard, causing the hard-liners who started the war to seek a resuming of the original genocide.

Here, the true civil war erupts. Boomer and Caprica-5's side gains the tempoary upper hand, but know the other side will regroup soon. They get to New Caprica first, to either evict the humans and lay a trap, or because they need the humans for some reason (probably still for the aforementioned trap).

Good theory if not for the fact that the local resurrection ship had been destroyed... and it would be kind of a pointless plotline to create the whole resurrection ship scenario, destroy it, then in the finale to basically say nevermind, they can resurrect anywhere.

It'll be interesting to see the development of the love triangle between OrigSharon, Chief and Callie considering he still loves her, and the fact that it was Callie who JackRudyed her.

"It'll be interesting to see the development of the love triangle between OrigSharon, Chief and Callie considering he still loves her, and the fact that it was Callie who JackRudyed her."

Ooooh, I hadn't even thought about that! Could Callie's shooting of OrigSharon (guess it helps to have some way to tell'em apart) have had anything to do with her feelings for Chief (rather than just the fact that she almost killed Adama)?

I was more looking forward to a 4-way conversation between Baltar & Six (heh heh heh).

The way they left it hanging seems designed to drive viewers nuts and start a rampage of wild speculation. Fun-- ain't it?

Speaking of wild speculation, my hubby listened to the creators' podcast after it aired. Both producers were there (usually it's just one), and they said in a way my hubby couldn't tell if they were joking or not (but tended to think not) that the season premiere <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">would jump another 5 years into the future. At least that way, Sharon's baby will have had time to develop its special hybrid powers and save the day. I trust these guys, but I can't help keeping the "V" kid in the back of my mind. I don't remember exactly what she did, I just remember it was kind of dopey and trust "BG" won't be the same.</span></span>

That had to be a joke. This setup is too amazing. They could spend nearly the entirety of season 3 working through the mess they've created. They're not going to just chuck that out the window, surely.

Random thoughts: when the "one year later" crawl popped up, I just about lost it. Wow. Didn't see that coming.

Starbuck would rather die than go to another Farm... I wonder how long it will be until the Cylons start farming on New Caprica again (actually, I wonder if this whole thing isn't just a way for them to mine biological resources (spooky!)

I did NOT see this being the end result of Caprica 6 and Caprica 8's revolution. Holy frack. The Cylons are EEEEEVIL. Or maybe they're not evil, but they sure do take a different logical road than humans, eh?

The sight of the human refugees on New Caprica huddling in the mud and cold was truly saddening.

I really liked the "One Year Later" roles of some of the cast. Roslin a schoolteacher, Tyrol a union leader, etc. I got a little choked up when I saw her teaching the kiddies. I hope Roslin has been able to heal this past year from the moral decay of the choices she was forced to make in her final months of being President (ordering a hit on Cain, fixing the election, etc...) It had taken a toll on her, and I hope her inherent goodness will begin to shine through again.

I didn't see the whiteboard anywhere in Baltar's presidential office. Damn you, Gaius Baltar.

I also wonder if Brig Sharon is still in the brig on Galactica. And I wonder why Leoben was looking for Starbuck.

What an INSANE end to an incredible season. It wrapped most of the plotlines of the season up with skill, and yet (obviously) planted seeds that will grow throughout season 3 and beyond.

WHAT. A SHOW.

I could see that spoiler happening.

I'm trying to figure out how things went for Caprica 6 and Sharon... I suspect their revolution was successful in changing hearts and minds, but not in a way we'd expect. I'm going to have to work through "Download" to get some additional insights.

My starting point is the idea that the Cylons have learned the value of diversity. In biology, diversity allows for evolution/adaptation and lowers the chances of being taken down by one particular kind of attack. I wonder if the Cylons have discovered similar advantages to philisophical diversity, realizing that coming from a variety of experiences can bring about innovation.

BTW, I think of "Caprica 8" as the Cylon who had a child with Helo. "Sharon" was the one who couldn't let go of her memories of "growing up" as Sharon Valeri. With that in mind, it'll be very interesting to see Caprica 8 and Sharon meet.

I was a surprised that even after one year people are living in tents - they were able to build vipers and raptors to almost no end, but they can't get it together in a year to slap up some concrete or even wooden structures??

Maybe that says more about the change in leadership.

Good point. Most revolutions eventually spin a different way than its originators intend.

I concede that the Resurrection Ship story delates my theory; but the concept of Cylons being only a light-year away made me wonder if it could happen.