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that was an awesome season ending scene with the Cylon occupation on new Caprica and the phalanx of Cylon centurians walking into the settelment. i was kinda waiting for them to reinact that famous picture taken from when the Germans marched into paris france and there was a picture of the elderly parisian man who wept as the german army occupied paris.

Personally, they've so thoroughly blown up the central concepts of the show that it has to be a vision or a dream. It's the only way they might be able to avoid jumping the shark. I am not interested in watching the resistance behind enemy lines--the Helo on Caprica storyline from last year bored me to tears and contributed very little to the overall plot. Something else else tells me that the first episode of next season will involve the President or Adama waking from a vision sent by the gods to convince them how disastrous a Baltar presidency would be. At least, that's what I hope...

I found the season finale to be logical, but predictable. As soon as that habitable planet was found, I knew Baltar would use it to win the presidency, and that sooner or later the Cylons would show up and occupy it. The Cylons have clearly decided that 1) destroying humanity is evil, but 2) humanity can't be trusted to take care of itself. Based on year 1 of New Caprica, I think I agree with the Cylons.

I am not sure where this show will go from here. On the one hand, I am glad they are trying to mix things up. On the other hand, all of these characters end up looking less and less admirable as time goes by. I am not sure how much longer I will enjoy following them.

So, I'm not the only one who's had the thought cross his mind that it all might be a dream-- or in Baltar's case, a "vision from the gods". (Well, he IS the one with someone in his head who keeps telling him she's a messenger from the gods!) It was just that bit of his putting his head down, then waking up a year later that got me... A dream couldn't possibly be so detailed, but a "vision"? Hmm...

I've been CONTINUOUSLY surprised that a show that started out with virtually NO likeable characters AT ALL (in my view) has kept evolving in such a way that even those people I don't really like have become interesting to watch. I don't think this is the time for them to go backward... but we'll see.

Hmmm... what if the whole series becomes a story about generations of humans fighting the Cyclons? Given how outnumbered the human race is, it seems a bit of a stretch to think that they could combat and defeat the Cylons all in one generation... so what if the following seasons are all about jumps forward in time? We get to see our faves grow old and die, while at the same time meet new characters/offspring. It provides tons of possible new storylines, removes the threat of potentially primadonna-like actors holding out for bigger contracts and opens up the cast considerably.

Sucky idea but perhaps a more realistic one if one considers the length of time needed for the human race establish a viable counterassault to survive.

Just a thought

I've still not watched the final two episodes of this season. Gotta find some time soon.

Sci-Fi has announced a new BSG series for next year. A prequel that takes place 50 years in the past on Caprica and deals with the creation of the Cylons. Not too sure about this one, especially as a full fledged series. Maybe a mini would be better.

I'm iffy on the new series concept; but then, I'm always iffy on open-ended prequels.

I finally caught the original mini this week. it was excellent; it held up to my expectations and then some.

I happened to catch the 1978 3-hour pilot last week for the first time in about 20 years. That really took me back... I came to love BG back then... but often, it was in spite of itself. The actors and the characters were the main draw for me. The writing often made me cringe. While far from the worst, I'd forgotten how really BAD the first 3 hours were! The show really didn't get good until "The Living Legend" (eps. 12-13). I sometimes wonder how it ever lasted THAT long!

Seeing Sire Uri (Ray Milland) again reminded me that some of the elements in eps. 2-3 didn't turn up in the new version until the LAST couple of episodes (so far). I'm really dying to find out where the heck the current storyline is going to go!


This week I caught about the last 40 minutes of the recent 4-hour pilot (which essentially covers the same ground as the original 1st episode). It wasn't nearly as unpleasant as I remember... but then, my view may be colored by knowing HOW MUCH BETTER the new show gets as it goes along.

I'm about halfway through the first part of the miniseries, and LOVING the back story! It's just like when I started reading the TMK Legion, then bought all the Levitz issues--"Aha! So THAT'S how that happened!" Not necessarily as good as the best of the last two seasons, but still SO good. There's an awful lot of ground work laid for things that just happened toward the end of the second season...Six KILLED the baby!? Baltar flinching every time another nuclear explosion detonates...Yikes. Apollo seems like much more of a whiny bitch back at the beginning.

One problem: If the "Hero Six" who deactivated the defense net loved Baltar the way she claimed to when revived in the second season, she sure showed it in some odd ways in the miniseries. She was a much less sympathetic and developed character.

with love... sometimes you don't know what you've got til its gone.

It was the 70s! most shows were poorly written.

Remember the days when legit plot devices included programming a computer to blow up?

There's no question, for me, on the old show, it was the characters that "sold" me on it. So many likeable actors and terrific characters, with so much BAD dialogue and poorly-thought-out stories. This last time they reran the 3-hour pilot, they followed it up with "Experiment In Terra" (SOMEBODY explain to me how you go from Ep.3 to Ep.22 ???). It had Melody Anderson, Nehemiah Persoff, Edward Mulhare, an amazing plot idea, and just about the WORST execution of a good story idea I've ever seen in all my decades of watching tv shows! (The week before, "Baltar's Escape" turned out to be one of the best episodes in the 24-ep. run. Talk about a roller-coaster ride of quality...)

I could never figure how Glen Larson went from doing such an EXCELLENT job on seasons 3-7 of McCLOUD to such dodgy work afterwards... but then the LATE 70's was the time I consider one of the all-time low points for TV shows in general. Too much interference from censors, too much incompetence by the networks, you name it.


I did get quite a laugh out of the scene in Ep.3 when Col. Tigh is caught trying to sneak away with some uniforms without anyone knowing what's going on, and deflects their curiosity by claiming he's doing an "inspection", and that he's shocked at the poor condition. "When Commander Adama sees this-- HE'S GONNA GO CRAZY!" (Definitely McCLOUD-style humor. Which is probably why I wound up re-using the line in my "2230" comic!)

Just saw the 1st of 2 BG panels as San Diego. While focused mainly on the music and science ends of things, Richard Hatch, the science advisor and others promise great things of the third season.

The second panel tomorrow will be more about what's coming up. The only thing we've seen so far is a segment of Doc Baltar lamenting (it tied in with the music segment)

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No dream (although they fielded questions about Bobby stepping out of the shower!); the third season begins with the occupation and resistance; picking up four months into the occupation. Expect suicide bombers and the like.

Olmos calls it the darkest story he has ever been a part of.

Whoops! time to go to dinner! I'll post more later.

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In the montage which looks like a to-be-aired ad for the new season, we see a #6 with a bullet-hole through her head. Caprica-6 apparently.

we're told that one of the 12 Cyclon human models will be elimininated - "boxed" - toward the end of this season, one of the featured models. (I'm betting on Lucy Lawless, after her agreement expires.

we're told that Starbuck and Tigh will be getting along better, and many intercharacter relations will shift - a sort of "Stockholm Syndrome" brought on by the occupation.

Adama/Apollo relations will sour.

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A cast member will be held on board a Cylon base star, which we'll get to see in detail for the first time. (probably Baltar)

They implied that the first 10 episodes will be a single story arc.

Baltar will synpathize with the human resistance, but be trusted less by his constituents, as a figurehead for the Cylon-recognized human administration.

We see footage implying that Adama will have to rely on captive Sharon more. We see footage of Starbuck in a cell, alone in a desolate hallway. Did she have a kid in the season finale/one year later? I didn't remember that, but one scene implies that.

Putting together various comments, I conclude that Baltar will play Archie to Six and Lucy Lawless cylons' Betty and Veronica.

There was a running joke (or "joke" - who knows?) that Chief (who was a panelist) dies in the second episode. They also joke about a lot of nudity on the base star - cylons are less self-conscious.

other panelists were Edward James Olmos (given a warm welcome at his first-ever con), James Callis (Baltar), Lucy Lawless (who let out a Xena call at the outset), and exec-prods David Eick and Ron Moore. Mary McDonnell didn't make it.

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recently saw the miniseries and got hooked. netflixing all the past episodes. i love it. it is the best thing on television since six feet under got cancelled. anyway, a question: i notice that most of the main characters are mined from the original 70's series but i'm surprised at the absence of Athena (apollo's sister), and the prostitute turned nurse (um...andromeda?). i can only imagine that with starbuck now a woman they didn't need athena, but i haven't read anything that addresses this. have we seen an evidence of sex workers in the ragtag fleet? seems like a natural thing.

Your right, this is, far and away, the greatest show running right now. Sci-Fi has become a staple for me - Dr. Who, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, and now Eureka are all thought provoking and entertaining.

A black market is uncovered within the civilian fleet and sex trade is mentioned. Lee Adama shoots the leader of the ring in front of the others and announces that they are now all known to the military, if any food, medicine, or basic needs are interfered with he will shut down the whole ring. He explains to Roslin that knowing where the ring is allows them to keep it under control and that the fleet needs to be able to trade in this way to feel safe and free (kind of like eBay )
Latter we find out that Lee has been spending time with a prostitute that he freed from the Black Marketers. She is since out of the picture.

Boxy was in the mini-series but thank the Goddess they cut him out of the series, the cut scenes are part of the season 1 DVDs and they were awful. Take your time, REALY watch the shows. There is SO much going on that is not overtly said.

It has also been stated that a named (Numbered) Cylon will be "retired" before the end of season 3

"i'm surprised at the absence of Athena (apollo's sister), and the prostitute turned nurse (um...andromeda?)"


The closest they've had to Athena is the black girl on the bridge. SHE was the one whose words finally turned Adama's heart around and made him realize that "family" is more important the the "rules". "I'm putting out FAMILY back together again." One of the GREAT moments of the series.

The closest they've had to Cassieopia (who was in love with Starbuck on the 70's show) was the hooker-- with the kid-- that Apollo had an affair with, which was how he got involved in the black market situation. The fact that she had a kid also reminded me of Serena (Jane Semour), Boxey's mother. They really are doing a "mix-and-match" thing with the references to the old show.


For instance... it seems the ONLY "scientist" in the entire fleet is Dr. Baltar, making HIM a combination of the skinny gray-haired scientist on the old show and the politician who betrayed the fleet (John Colicos). However, in the 2nd-season cliffhanger, he's also the one who convinces the fleet to stop running and settle down on a planet in the hope that the Cylons will leave them alone, which borrows from the old 3rd episode's character of Sire Uri (Ray Milland).

I'm a little nervous. Some of those spoilers sound like a lot of the things I liked about the last two seasons might be very different. On the other hand, it really gives the writers the opportunity to stay on top of current events--a sympathetic suicide bomber? Where does the line between freedom fighter and terrorist lie? etc.

exactly, arms. I was questioning, too... but it sounds like they have a good, strong storyline to follow.

The new TV guide has a lot of the same spoilers, including a few I didn't get to.

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Tigh will be really put through the ringer.

The cylons will install a human police force, which will pit human-v-human/police vs. resistance.

Adama and Apollo will feud over how, when -and if- they try a rescue mission, with two battlestars but minimal crews.

Baltar wil have a hard time adjusting to cylons' comfort with nudity, and will try to fit in (this might have been a panel joke - it ddin't make it into TVguide). i guess that's sort of a repeat of something I already posted.

the cylons will be 'boxing' one of their own, not the resistance.

the humans will be contemplating a genocidal weapon, and the ethics of it.

there will be new cast members, and some old ones will be killed off (panel, not TV guide; most of these others are duplicates from both, unless otherise noted)

Episode 3 season 3 just ended, and...

This could be the greatest television show of all time.

Frak me. I'm still in chills.

Was Adama in on the Baby switch or was that just Roslin and the doctor?

How long will Bommer stay true once the rumors are proven true?

SUCH A SWEET SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Adama totally knows.