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The problem with Aaron being one of the six is that Jack claimed that there were eight survivors, and two died. Unless they are somehow claiming that Aaron was born before the crash, they still need to account for who the sixth survivor was.

I still want to know who the dead two are. Since Jin's headstone said 09/24/04, I'm guessing he's one of them. But I also think he's not dead, and they used his "corpse" to smuggle someone eles off the island.

In regard to the other two in the eight, the Lost creators confirmed this, but basically this is all just part of the lie that Jack told that the 6 hatched whenever rejoined the world. So essentially, those additional two (now dead) people could be anyone and it doesn't really matter. Of course, nothing outside the show (interviews, etc.) can be taken for canon, which they also said

But Ceej's notion of Jin being one of the 8 that died, even though his death is a total lie, would fit into this.

But why tell of the dead 2, except to explain a couple of bodies in addition to the O-6?

I'm sure when the show is done, the Survivors will have replaced the Others as inhabitants of the island. It will still be a guarded secret, what with Hurley replacing the crazy guy from whom he learned the numbers.

Sort of a reset...

Yeah, but the point is 8 survivors - 2 deaths + 1 birth = Oceanic 7, not Oceanic 6.

Folks might not care about Aaron in the O-6, he's only an infant.

O-6 sounds like somebody's playing Bingo.

Okay...this hasn't been covered yet: who killed Karl and shot Danielle? The Others? People from the freighter (who may've come on the missing helicopter)? Someone else?

And didn't you guys catch Ben's meaningful looks before he suggested Danielle, Karl and Alex leave? I'm sure he looked at Alex's mid-section and was thinking about what would happen if Karl got Alex pregnant.

And then the ease with which he convinced Danielle to agree...they were both thinking about the danger to Alex!

I think Ben and Danielle tacitly understood they were taking Karl to his death! So, if I'm right, it must have been the Others who attacked them, killed Karl and gave Danielle some cred with Alex by injuring her for good measure.

What do you think?

I think it was the Others too, the ones who were waiting for Ben at the Temple. Danielle is an unknown to them, and Karl was an outcast due to Ben's dislike for him.

And what's all this talk about "the island not letting you die"... a lot of people have died on or because of the island. Who dictated Michael has more purpose than any of the ones who did not survive? I guess Tom's point was you can't kill yourself?!?! I can't recall: Have any of the islanders been seen commiting suicide? I know we saw a freighter member drown recently, but she'd never been to the island, and they're all a bit loopy on that freighter now. And Jack was about to jump off that bridge at the end of season 3, but the accident prevented his leap (another "island" intervention)?

I think the idea is that the island won't let you die as long as it "still has work for you to do".

I've also seen the theory that Mike couldn't commit suicide because Tom switched guns with him during the fight.

I'm beginning to think the island is a bit of a manipulative supervisor, who tricks you into working the weekend without overtime pay...

Ben is EVIL. He saw his "daughter"'s boyfriend touch her fanny and said...your dead. He took the oppurtunity to have her real mother killed as well. Ben is EVIL!

Re: the island not letting you die.

Good idea EDE about the gun switch. I also think the dead people popping up to manipulate things could be a factor. They probably pick them right before their deaths...and put them to work.

I'm actually leaning towards it being the freighter people who shot them. The foreshadowing of them with the guns earlier was just too obvious, in retrospect.

Yes, it was too obvious! And Ben wouldn't have any control over the freighter people, other than Michael.

So, if you think it was the freighter people, then you'd have to believe Ben wasn't trying to get rid of Karl! Well, EDE?

Maybe Ben *does* control the freighter people, though! After all, he's EVIL!

But, yeah, I don't buy the idea that he was trying to get rid of Karl.

I also think that having the freighter people capture Alex is just too good a plot for them not to use. What does Ben do at that point? Does he sacrifice her for the sake of the island?

Incidentally, I'm betting that left-for-dead Rousseau survives and makes it to the Temple, and brings the rest of the Others back with her to kick some freighter-people ass!

Omigahd, Jorge, Benjamin Linus is ENSLAVING DEAD PEOPLE!!!!!

That is EVIL!

I'm with Eryk in that it makes too much sense from a plot-perspective for the Freighter people kidnapping Alex.

Of course, a Polar Bear that had learned how to fire a weapon is yet another distinct possibility.

In regards to the Oceanic 6 of 8, well, I guess only time will tell. But the next episode preview did show all six and called them the six, and it included Aaron...

The producers have apparently confirmed the identity of the Six as well, bit it's still mysterious how they're going to make sense of it.

Maybe the story is that Claire survived but died in childbirth?

Then why not simply show the freighter people closing in around Alex at the end?

In any case I think we're supposed to give it some thought!

Actually, they apparently filmed more to the ending, according to this interview with the actor!

Based on the actor's comments, I would have to agree that the snipers are from the freighter.

Still inconclusive, I'd say. Why? A) If we didn't see it, it ain't canon. B) Others in disguise, anyone?

I dunno, it just seems the freighter people are in such disarray, right now. Yes, the 'copter is gone, so it's possible. But I just can't get past Ben's look at Karl and Alex and the bit with Rousseau.

Anyone with me on this?

Michael could've told Ben that some of the crew were going to land on that part of the island. He thought he could eliminate his two "rivals". Would he endanger his daughter like that? Maybe he has someone else on the ship working for him? All of this is a longshot.

I agree that the shooters being the gun-totting freighter people makes perfect sense. But that look Ben had when Karl was all over his daughter? EVIL.

It seems to me the producers are drawing a clear parallel between Ben "seeing" the Juliet/Goodwin relationship and Ben "seeing" the possibility of Karl impregnating Alex. As Juliet said, he "knew" Goodwin would get killed. Just like Goodwin, he sends Karl to his death.

Ben clearly has some sort of precognitive ability, perhaps similar to Desmond's. It partly explains why he is always so unflappable.