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So although it was only a quick scene, I think Faraday’s experiment last night kind of revealed something really interesting about the island. The difference in time of the two clocks, when it the scene implied they were supposed to be the same, suggests there was a serious lag in getting the rocket to arrive on the island. This goes along with the longstanding time/space distortions the island has (also other ‘time’ issues, such as Desmond seeing the future, etc.)

So…we know Walt is going to return and he’ll be three years older (and they can’t hide that, where they can hide it with the other actors as the shift from roughly 12-13 to 15-16 in a boy is huge). We know Richard Alpert looks basically the same now as he did twenty years ago (or more) when Ben was a boy. All of that could be related to this 31 minute difference, as perhaps time passes on the island much slower than in real life. Although since it was only 31 minutes here, it’d have to be passing in some sort of ratio/slope with an increasing curve (its been awhile since I did any calculus, but what I mean is one of those curves exponentially increasing and the increase itself can be scene as a curve ). So here it was only 31 minutes, for Walt it’ll be like three years for him when it was only a few weeks for the people on the Island, and for Richard Alpert, who knows? Just a jumbled thought…and I think you’ve hit it on the head DC, in that it’s the path in getting to the island which causes this relative change.

I agree this could be the best season of Lost yet. The writers and actors seem so comfortable and so spot-on so far. Jack saying “no, he was a torturer” just felt so right in terms of Sayid, Jack and Sayid’s relationship/friendship/shared history on the island, and the general tone of the show but also the tone of the last few days for the Losties.

Loved the future flash-forward for Sayid. Each scene with Ben on camera makes feel like a ravenous wolf wanting more. So we also have a slight confirmation that there is a larger “group” of “conspirators” (probably better words to explain that) including various businessmen and others, which could lead into the whole Windmore/Hanso Group/etc. connection we’ve been speculating on.

Possible RG = Regina from the boat? Seems to easy, unless Naomi does turn out to have a sister. Do we know what Naomi’s last name was? It could have been the same bracelet the girl was wearing, unless all the girls working for RG get those bracelets (i.e. gift from the boss, possibly having a tracking device).

Jorg, where did you find the Whisper Transcripts? On lostipedia? I have to go back there and check it out. Its only been three episodes of this season and three from the end of last since I did, but on this show, that could be a lot of info

Jorge, I thought I saw the same bracelet on Ilsa, too, and I even got to thinking about strange effect/cause time loops as a result. Did Sayid give Ilsa the bracelet in the future, only to have it end up with Naomi in the past? Too weird, even for Lost, but it's fun. This is turning out to be the most awesome sequence of shows that I've seen in a long time, from any series.

to me the whisper transcripts are possibly the dead, because one of the voices is Boone shouting out Shannon's name before she got shot. Coincedently we have a Ghost Hunter now on the island.

Apparently, (according to an article with Carlton Cuse linked on Lostpedia) thanks to the writer's strike finally ending, the producers are aiming to make five more episodes to conclude this season! That'll bring us up to 13 of the planned 16, which is better than just the 8.

Further, Cuse says the Season 4 arc will be condensed to end as planned, albeit with 3 fewer hours. And the 3 episodes will be added to Seasons 5 and 6 and their arcs rather than being subtracted from Lost's planned 48 episode run to end the series over these last three seasons. So we'll have 13 this season and, say, a 17-episode 5th and an 18-episode 6th (or some other permutation).

I'm just glad we're getting more than 8 this season and that we'll get as much Lost as we were promised in the long haul!

I don't know, I was already prepared for 8--it seems like 8 jam-packed eps are going to be better than more episodes with the same story...or maybe mid-last season left me a little cynical.

Cobie, the whisper transcripts are on lostpedia.
Lab, the latest one mentions Nikki who is dead as well. Who knows?!

I am excited we will get more episodes than previously thought.

Another good episode! I suspected the reveal at the end as soon as we saw the early scene with Kate, Claire, and Aaron!

Yeah, me too, and called it so Lady Cobalt could bask in my brillance (she loathes when I do that ).

Good episode overall. Possibly the hottest Kate has ever looked!

I'm enjoying Locke's outright honesty about his group not being a democracy.

My heart broke when Aaron woke up and called Kate "Mommy." Partly because I am just a sucker for little kids. But mostly because I started immediately imagining what sequence of events leads to that. Claire dead? Jack's fault? Jack unable to keep the secrets around Aaron (whom he probably knows is his nephew)? Kate serving as this boy's mother--something she would never choose on her own to do (be a parent) but something she promised to Claire?

Oh, and more Ben absolute bad ass!

First off I guessed it was Aaron the second they mentioned her son. Though the show tried hard to change my mind with all the pregnancy talk.

doublechinner, why doesn't Jack want to see Aaron?! Good question. I would understand if it was Sawyer's kid but?!

Something else else just came to me. The pager Kate had in the last season finale. It's him. Didn't Sayid or that girl he killed last episode also have a beeper? So was it Ben who beeped her or the guy trying to kill him.

Also rewatched the first episode with a buddy to search for clues. He is convinced that Jacob is Ben's father. he says he can recognize that actor anywhere (Napoleon dynamite's uncle!) We rewound it a few times...hey may have a point.

Cobie, Kate looks super hot in her jungle sweaty look but with make up it's a whole other kind of hot. Bless her.

Jack's just not a good liar, and I think, whatever happens to get them off the island, he can't face the little boy. Maybe he feels responsible for Aaron being separated from Claire. Maybe the code of silence taken by the Oceanic survivors also forbids Aaron from knowing who his real mother is, that Jack is his uncle, what happened to his real mom, etc.

Kate looks SO much better without makeup..to me anyway.

The Kate, Claire, Aaron scene at the beginning reminded me of that old theater rule..."if you introduce a gun in Act One, it better go off by the end of the play"... I don't think anyone was shocked to find out Kate's son was Aaron.

I freaking love how this show has reinvented itself. That said, I want more CREEPY stuff! What about the monster? The statue? Sometimes it seems it's gone more action-adventure, which is fine too, but I miss more of the 'weird' stuff.

Didn't they suggest that Ben's dad was the skeleton in Hurley's van? Ben's flashback showed his dad in a workman's uniform with a name tag that escapes me. And Hurley's skeleton driver had the same uniform.

My friend Jess and I were surprised. We knew she would have a child based on that scene, but not who's.

With all the banter with Sawyer, that was surely a red herring. So we figured it was going to be Jack's baby. When he didn't want to see it in the end, that's when we started doubting.

So does Aaron count as one of the Oceanic 6?

Yeah--Ben's dad's skeleton WAS in the VW minibus that Hurley rescued. Doesn't mean his spirit isn't elsewhere, though.

Another thought about Jack, Kate and Aaron post-Island. Clearly, the Oceanic 6 concocted a completely fictitious story about the events on the island when they were "rescued." It's possible that Jack and Kate had to portray themselves as Aaron's biological parents if Claire wasn't one of the 8 initial crash survivors in the cover the story.

Well Aaron wasn't on the flight manifest- do they track children if no ticket is actually purchased for them?


And Desmond? If they rescued him, would he be part of the Oceanic 6?

I also noticed they said there were 8 survivors, and its the 'Oceanic 6'. So that may mean the Oceanic Six are 5 of the original 8 + Aaron, thereby inferring three people died (Charlie, Shannon, Boone, whoever?) while they were on the island. It'd be interesting to see the actual story concocted and who they are saying died after the crash.

Does anyone else find Miles really annoying yet? I hope Locke does other mean things to him

The gist I got from Jack's testimony is that from the flight 8 passengers survived, but 2 died before being rescued. And seeing as they are portraying Kate as Aaron's mom, I would think the story is that Aaron is Kate's biological son born on the island. Otherwise there would be no reason for her to have custody and they would not have given custody to a fugitive like Kate.

I wonder how this plays into the whole "raised by another" theme from the first season.

The 8 survivors line scares me... why say there were any other survivors? Do they bring back two dead bodies with them?

Yup I thought the same thing. The whole psychic thing about the baby needing to be raised by good people.

That DA prosecuting Kate's trial must have been Hamilton Burger's grandaughter, or maybe Marcia Clark's long lost cousin. One witness won't testify and she just folds the case? Maybe one of Kate's bank robbing accomplices might have been willing to testify, considering she knee-capped them. Maybe the guy she was staying with in Australia might have testified she was in another country on a false passport? They just swept the entire Kate-as-fugitive storyline under the rug in such a lame, cursory way.

Maybe there's some kind of message about the power of celebrity and how it undermines the judicial process, but I can't help feeling that Jack McCoy would have had her behind bars regardless of losing the confession.

Also, still waiting on somebody to punch Locke's lights out.

I don't believe Aaron would be considered one of the Oceanic 6 because he was not born before the plane crashed.

Desmond would definitely not be one of the O6 since he was not on the plane. He wasn't on the manifest (by that same logic, Ben can't be an O6 member either).

Jack completely lied on the stand, claiming there were 8 survivors of the initial crash. It was a complete cover story, intentionally told to give the jury a favorable view of Kate. He lied the whole time on the stand, including when he said he didn't love Kate.

The question is, what happened to Claire that Kate is raising Aaron as her own??? Did she die? That would certainly lead to Jack trying to avoid seeing Aaron. Kate may have the general public believing Aaron is her son, but Jack would know better!! Maybe he finds out Claire is his sister somehow, and he can't bear to see Aaron if he wasn't able to save her life.

Unless I missed someone else from the island not seen in the flash forwards yet, then Aaron has to be counted as one of the six. Either that or ABC was misleading with their promos this week saying another of the Oceanic 6 would be revealed, as they have with the last two episodes.

Yeah, I kept hearing that too Scooter. "One more of the Oceanic Six will be revealed" was all over the radio, and only Aaron was revealed in the episode.