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Incidentally, just to buck my personal party line, I do kind of see John Edwards as a plastic political opportunist.

He's doing the right thing here. I'll give him that... But being a former military man myself, he'd have to do alot more than concede an election race that he genuinely lost to claim "honorable" though.

I find it somewhat odd and amusing that since Kerry decided to concede I'm hearing people on NPR referring to this election, one that came down to one last disputed state, as a "mandate" in favor of Bush. Yes, he won this one more decisively than he did in 2000, and without all of the legal contention, but I'd hardly call this a "mandate" from the people.

I thought he wanted to outlaw ManDates!

Idiot.

We're all doomed!

Well done US voters - you've said yes to no change on environmental issues, so the Antartic is going to melt by 2060!

And we can expect another 4 years of a futile War On Terror that doesn't even go after the right people! Pat yourselves on the back!

Don't blame me. I voted for Kerry.

Yup. Every pathetic idiot who voted for Bush should take a long hard look at the way to Armaggedon. 'Cause that's where we're going.

There are some things worth travelling cross country for. Good BBQ is one of them

And by the way it looks like the Congressional race that I was bitching about way back on page 2 is going to be dragged out for another couple of weeks. The Democrat Brian Higgins is currently ahead by 4000 some votes, and declared victory last night, but the Republicans of course are contesting. Just as their candidate Nancy Naples was taking the stage to give her concession the head of the local GOP Committee ordered that the polling machines be impounded for a recount. The bitterness and negativity goes on...

Same here, bud.

As did I. I was really optimistic about it the whole time too...

Worst of all, Alaska shot down their proposition to decriminalize marijuana...

I was gonna reply in a little bit of a nasty way to sanity, but i think the silent majority has spoken enough. The extremes of both parties really need to remove their craniums from their anal sphincter voids and realize that when it is pushed enough, the majority will stand up and be heard.

Connecticut is Kerry territory!

I think it's time to start working together for the good of the country instead of persueing personal, individual desires over all else.

Really? Then why vote for Mr Tax Cut?

Voter fraud is funny...

My favorite bit from the above linked Washington Times article:

"Elsewhere, a bogus flier with the McCandless Township, Pa., seal said because of long lines, Republicans should vote Nov. 2 and Democrats should vote on Nov. 3;"

This country is divided. Quite frankly, I don't want to be associated with the Republican half. I'm digusted, that you could re-elect that lying moron. I see this as a country full of mean people who just want to bully the rest of the world. Well, you've got your chance. Enjoy it.

Sanity, have you ever taken any economics courses?

Here's why...

When the government removes too much taxes from the pockets of consumers, it depresses the economy. There is not enough money going around to sustain and support a healthy economy. This is the law of supply and demand. Money in the governments hands is money that cannot be used by ordinary folk to buy houses, cars, health care, etc... Even John Kennedy understood this.

As the law of supply and demand works, there will be flucutations around it, it is never completely in equilibrium.

When you start talking about taxing corporations, here's what happens. First, they start to stop investing in capital needs. Equipement gets older and becomes less productive. Then, in order to maintain profits and stay in business, you know, giving normal, middle class people jobs, they either stop hiring new folk, or start eliminating jobs.

Then there is the popular, and completely erroneous "tax the rich" idea. Here is what happens with it.

The rich pay most of the taxes in the country on a personal level. When this happens, they don't buy the expensive luxury goods that are made by working class middle income people. So the small business' that produce those goods eventually go out of business, or....here's a nice thing...SHIP THEIR PRODUCTION OVERSEAS TO NATIONS THAT PAY CENTS ON THE DOLLAR TO CHEAPER WORKERS. You know, like the Heinz corporation.

But there is another aspect. The money the "wealthy" get does not evaporate into the ether like the left would have you believe. It is banked, and used by the middle and working classes in the forms of loans to better their lives by education, employment, housing, food, medical care, etc...

And then there is the fact that large corporations will attempt to pass along the additional cost of taxes...and it is a cost...to the buyers. Hence twenty dollar CD's at walmart instead of five dollar cd's.

So, not only are you taking away the money of hard working people and giving it to faceless government drones to waste, you are distressing their ability to earn a basic living.

And while you may think that $300 or $600 hundred dollar tax cuts don't amount to much, when it is put back into the economy, it has a multiplier effect, because companies turn profits, and this allows them to save money in the bank. This money is loaned out for houses, cars, startup capital to other small business'.

I really wish some folk that pontificate on economics and socialist taxing would study the science of economics before talking. It isn't a science of "feelings", it is a hard, scientic reality.

I'm not socialist or communist. I work for me and my family, not some fat ass government drone that would cry at a paper cut. I own my money, not the government. The government is to be there for us, the people, not the other way around.

Thats okay, Semi, we were disgusted that you would re-elect a lying con-man like clinton when he stood in front of you and lied over and over. He even lied before he took office about his record as Governor.

But if he was such a moron, how did he know enough to put together a campaign team that could beat the monstrous machine of the left? Maybe not so dumb.

You see, I actually kind of do see it as a mandate. A very small mandate, but one nevertheless. Keep in mind Bush won by a not insignificant margin in the popular vote. 3.5 million is not overwhelmingly decisive in a presidential contest, but it's decisive enough. Not to mention the Republican gains in the House and Senate. The Republicans played a smooth, awesome campaign overall. They painted themselves as America's white knights, saviors of America's moral fiber and defenders of America from the terrorist threat. The only major Republican loss was by a beer magnate, Peter Coors. Because beer isn't family-friendly and morally upright, he lost. What does this say about this country?

It says we really don't care about what people in Hollywood think. Sure, we'll shell out money to see a spectacle like Farenheit 9-11, but that's where it stops. We'll go see REM and Pearl Jam in a political concert because we like their music, but that's where it stops. Americans really do differentiate between entertainment and politics, and y'know, honestly, that's not a bad thing.

Moral values were the number one issue cited in exit polling. This means we care more about what our children see on TV every day than how our country relates to other countries. We care more about who is moving into the house next door than whether or not the richest Americans have to shoulder their proper portion of the tax burden. Our day-to-day lives spent with our families and friends are more important to us than anything.

Did Janet Jackson win this election for the Republicans? From the very beginning of this year, there has been the insistent rumbling of a line being drawn in the sand. "This far, and no farther." We have decided as a country that we will NOT see people exposing themselves in the Super Bowl. We will NOT welcome homosexuals into our day-to-day lives by honoring their unions. "This far, NO farther." The zeitgeist of America right now I think is very much "Not in my backyard" and I think this election was right in line with that.

But more importantly than that, what Bush tapped into was a feeling of a cultural helplessness. Helplessness against judges who gave homosexuals the right to marry in Massachusetts. Helplessness against the power of Michael Moore to make documentaries. Helplessness against the power of Janet Jackson to bare her boobies in front of your kids. Bush took that and said, "I will make you powerful. I will give you your society back. I will protect you and I will draw that line in the sand for you. This far, and no farther."

To our friends from Europe: this election wasn't about you. Please believe that. It was about us. I love this country very much, even though I don't feel at the moment that it loves me back too greatly. But this election was the result of an America that loves itself very much, and it was close. This election was about "What do we want to BE? What is our identity as Americans?" America spoke today in a small majority and let us know what was important to her. Now we all have to live with the consequences.

Clinton did not get your kids killed. He lied about having sex. I see a difference in that. Talk about moral values - well, let's not.

All day on the news I've been hearing that Kerry and Bush will both be addressing this in their speeches. I really hope that steps are taken to bring the country back together, since I see it as very divided too right now.

Brent, I may be a gay liberal Democrat, but I still love this country very much. I don't see my beloved country as a country full of mean people who want to bully the rest of the world. I'm sorry you're upset (and I'm disappointed myself,) but that doesn't mean you, or any other non-Americans, have the right to call us names because our democratic process didn't come out the way you wanted.