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GIANT: "I will tell you three things. If I tell them to you and they come true, then will you believe me? COOP: "Who's that?" GIANT: "Think of me as a friend." COOP: "Where do you come from?" GIANT: "The question is, where have you gone? The first thing I will tell you is there is a man in a smiling bag." COOP: "Man in a smiling bag . . ." GIANT: The second thing is the owls are not what they seem. The third thing is without chemicals he points."
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strange but not a stranger
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To answer the topic question: No.
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As an FYI, this is now on Netflix (in Canada at least), and well worth a watch.
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More Polyanna than Poison Ivy
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Mulholland Drive is better.
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Mulholland Drive has my single favourite scene in all of cinema (the Club Silencio sequence), and Lynch certainly crafted something amazing out of the hand he was dealt, but it's hard to compare the two as they are completely separate mediums (even if Mulholland started as a pilot), and Lynch didn't write/direct all of Peaks.
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Originally posted by rouge: Remember, due to the time distortion in the Black Lodge, events there took place 25 years in the future. Assuming most of the cast survives the next nine years (and Kyle M. will agree to work with Lynch again), I'll see you all in 2015! I always thought the same thing! That would be so fantastic (even just as a single reunion show) to pick up the story 25 years later with Cooper getting out of the Lodge. As a bit of a tease of what could be, though, did anyone ever see the cop show, "Psych"? A couple of years ago they did a tribute episode taking place in the town of "Dual Spires", guest starring the actors who played Laura Palmer, Leland Palmer, Bobby Briggs, Harold Smith, Audrey Horne and... the Log Lady!
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David Lynch is one of those "arty" phenomena that I'm supposed to get, but I never do.
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Just following up on this thread to say that the answer is yes... and no.
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Don't Stop Peelieving
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It all took place in that snowglobe, I thought...
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Nah, just inside Cooper's head. Unless that WAS the snowglobe
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Not much between despair and ecstacy
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I started rewatching this series on Netflix recently. I don't think it's held up very well.
It's just a little too quirky for its own good, and there are so many characters that most are reduced to one or two personality traits. There is very little depth to make me want to know any particular character better. This style of storytelling was quite popular back in the day. We're meant to wonder what's going on and to be intrigued. The murder mystery is supposed to be the anchor that holds it all together while we explore the town and all its strangeness. But 2.5 episodes in, I got bored.
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So, just to pinpoint, HWW, where specifically did you bail? Oddly enough, it matters.
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Not much between despair and ecstacy
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I was watching the third episode, and one of the main characters (I don't remember the name--Audrey's father) and his brother visited a brothel. I just thought, none of these characters have any redeeming qualities--at least none I'm invested in.
Why does it matter?
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So first off - you're right - Ben and Jerry are shit. Horrible folks. But Ben has a journey.
But yeah, you're kind of on target - TP is definitely one of those shows where you need to be willing to delve into the weird at unexpected moments; its not conventional storytelling by any means between any season.
If you focus on coop and his posse you'll be more on track. Also if you dare to watch Fire Walk With Me (not for the faint of heart by ANY means) you get more visibility into the universe.
It's totally weird in a weird way that's not at all comfortable.
EDIT - as to the WHY - Seasons 1 &2 happened in the early 1990s, while S3 happens in 2017 in a vastly different landscape. In fact, in S3, Coop/Dougie's behavior is informative to Kinetix in the reboot, oddly enough.
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Not much between despair and ecstacy
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I watched Twin Peaks when it first aired, though I didn't see every episode. I remember liking Dale Cooper and Sheriff Harry Truman. (Michael Ontkean starred in an earlier TV series called The Rookies, so he was a familiar face). On rewatching the first two episodes, I found myself being more annoyed by the characters than endeared to them. Cooper is an oddball for no apparent reason, shifting back and forth between serious investigator and tree enthusiast, and Truman never questions his eccentricities. There are several opportunities for tension between the two--the sheriff should have some reservations about the FBI coming and taking over an investigation in his small backwater town--but such tensions never materialize. I'm not saying the show had to go into familiar TV character dynamics, but it would be nice to see some kind of tension. The two settle too quickly into a buddy relationship.
Somehow I missed watching Fire Walk with Me when it was made. I lacked a lot of funds to watch movies in those days. I also remember being disappointed with how Season Two turned out.
Sounds like your quite a fan of the series, though.
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Yeah, I'm invested for sure from when it was originally out. But its very David Lynch, which usually means people either love it or loathe it, especially the characters. Its funny you mention Truman and Coop, because I very much enjoyed their dynamic, as they were a united front against the bad guy, and I like to see the more traditional "local lawman resentful of the fed presence" trope be turned sideways.
Some of what you talk about was actually introduced in the Fire Walk With Me movie, but each of the releases (S1 & 2 from 90-91, the movie, S3 from 2017) are all very tonally different in their approach.
S2 had the problem of the network forcing the writers to solve the murder, which made the show kind of stall for the second half of that season, until it delivered one of the most mind bending cliffhangers ever, to be "resolved" 25 years later. The show definitely had its faults in that second season, but also created some of the most nightmare inducing content at the time. It also showed that you could actually produce and air really weird, metaphysical, dreamy stuff on TV back in the day, and even today if you look at the 2017 series.
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