Legion World Forums LEGION COMPANION The Anywhere Machine So. Star Wars. (now with SPOILERS!)

Ok
here's a question
Why in the world world would Luke's last name be Skywalker, if they wanted to hide his presence wouldnt ben give him a different last name?

And that's a question that has had many Star Wars fans shaking their heads over the years. You're right too... very dumb move on Obi-Wan and Yoda's part.

The only offering I can give by way of a rational explanation is that Tatooine is one of the farthest planets away from the center of the universe (read Coruscant and the Empire). It's a desert world with no real industry so to speak, except for the Hutts and smugglers. The odds of a Skywalker being discovered there are not very good unless someone is specifically looking for him.

Realistically, Darth Vader has no reason to go searching for anybody named "Skywalker". As far as he knows... his wife died pregnant and was buried that way.

Even if they did come looking for Luke... Obi-Wan was there to protect him.

Still though... it's a very short-sighted gaff on Obi-Wan's part.

"his wife died pregnant and was buried that way"

Hey that's RIGHT! That was bugging me... she DID look pregnant during the funeral!

Yeah, and renaming himself "Ben Kenobi" wasn't exactly a stroke of counter-intelligence genius either. Who could see through that one, hm??

Who knows how many Kenobis there are in the galaxy?

Anyway, the only people who know Ben Kenobi exists are probably the Lars clan (Owen, Beru and Luke), maybe some neighbors who've heard about that strange old hermit, and the Organa. Retaining the name Kenobi is vital if anyone associated with the Organas should need to find him.

why is leia a princess??
if she is the daughter of bail organa, how would she get a title like princess from a senator. Granted she is the former queen of naboo's daughter, but key word is FORMER.

I think in the credits Bail's wife is referred to as Queen of Alderaan. I might be mistaken, but if so then perhaps Alderaan is a matriarchy and Bail has no title but Leia recieves one.

Maybe everyone was just being sarcastic when calling her "princess" before... (it'd make for an interesting reviewing of the original trilogy)

"Yes, your worshipfullness!"

"Will you stop CALLING me that?"

Buying into the "hiding" Luke on Tatooine let alone with family is a bit of a stretch. While there was reason to believe that Yoda was dead, though that one officer invoked the no body no death rule, there was no reason to believe that Obi-Wan was dead. You want to hide the future of the Republic with Owen, proclaimed Obi-Wan's brother in "Return" and Anakin's Step-brother in "Clone?"

Naw

Except that no one but Bail, Obi-Wan and Yoda knew that the son of Anakin Skywalker even existed until he emerged in the Battle of Yavin 19-20 years later. It's not hard to hide when no one's looking for you.

As for retaining the Skywalker name: shrewd move. Once Luke's name went public (as the last Jedi eventually intended it would), the fear factor would play out in the minds of Vader and Palpatine, and cause them to make more mistakes.

It's not a baby they'd be looking for, it's Kenobi. The point I was attempting to make, they would still be looking for Kenobi, right?


Why hide Luke on the same planet Anakin grew up on, let alone with family of Obi-Wan? If I'm Vader, first place I'd go to look for Obi-Wan, is to the family of Obi-Wan. Even if Anakin didn't know his closest friend and "brother" Obi-Wan had a REAL brother on Tatooine, it doesn't seem to me much of a stretch to think that at some point, Darth Vader might just go back to shove a light saber up that junk dealer's bunghole for the way he treated his mother, oh by the way I wonder how the old homestead looks. Oh look, Owen has a boy? Kinda looks like me when I was a kid? Strong in the Force that baby, look at the way he juggles those pacifyers without touching them. Think I'll go back to the Emperor and tell him I didn't find anything.

Hide a baby "strong in the Force" where Vader is very likely for one of many reasons to visit? I've heard of hiding in plain sight, but, um, still not buying this one. I put it in the "just a movie" catagory.

Actually, another question.

Did they make any effort to disquise that Obi-Wan was still alive and I missed it? I think after the Vader-Obi Wan fight, I was so hyped I started to miss some of the things on-screen.

I don't recall any mention of Obi-Wan & Owen being related. Owen's father BOUGHT Annakin's mother-- then married her-- and had Owen by her. Owen & Annakin were half-brothers, in a way Thor & Loki NEVER were. (This was a big surprise for me when I saw Ep.2-- it neatly tied up something I'd been wondering about for decades!)

I hadn't either, but to "prepare" for the movie, I read Episodes IV-V-VI and there it is on p. 83 of VI from "The Star Wars Trilogy."

Ben continued his narrative. "When your father left, he didn't know your mother was pregnant (preggers in the British version , sorry, I'll stop). Your mother and I knew he would find out eventually, but we wanted to keep you both as safe as possible, for as long as possible. So I took you to live WITH MY BROTHER Owen, on Tatooine...

???

anakin is owen's step brother, so there's another mess up.

Okay, I thought so. If it's NOT in the movies, it's NOT "official" in my book.

I prefer to follow the movies too. Strange to see something like that in print. I can't imagine the scenario that didn't catch this in the proofread. Maybe it was a Jedi Alzeihmer's kind of thing. Hey Obi, have any brothers? Uh, sure, three. Owen and Anakin and Chewbacca.

Originally, Owen was Ben's brother. But Lucas changed that backstory around.

As for why Vader didn't visit the old homestead...come on. As far as he was concerned, Anakin Skywalker was dead. Nobody. A failure. And way too many painful memories were there. Besides, he had a Death Star to build, scattered Jedi to kill and an Empire to run. And why would anyone think that Kenobi, fugitive #1, would go hide out near Anakin's kin -- that no one knows about and Anakin himself didn't have good relations with?

Depends upon whether you're reading the book or watching the movie doesn't it? As I wrote, the book had Owen as Obi's brother. Why wouldn't you go to Tatooine to try and squeeze some info out of his brother? Then again, even in the movies, Vader wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

One of the major accomplishments of SWIII, in my mind, is the elevation of the Emperor. Darth Vader usually seems to win the polls for most evil movie character ever, but really, isn't it the Emperor? Vader was 'defeated" because he had some good in him.

The Emperor: man I love a guy that loves his job. Old Yoda's getting all serious, doing the eyebrow thing, and the old Emperor's cackling his ass off while winging senate balcony seats at the little munchkin. And the scene with Mace Windu! HA! Took his BMF (as is supposedly written on Jackson's light saber) ass out the window.

Oh Oh, don't hurt me says the Emperor. Oh, I can't take it anymore.

Mace: Oh so sorry. AH! my Arm! I'm another Jedi done lost his arm. Oh look, I'm flying over Coruscant. It's such a pretty vie...thunk.

Ha!

The Emperor rules.

"and Chewbacca"

"The Emperor rules."

That's another thing that amazed me about Eps.1-3... after the way they had 2 different actors between Eps. 5 & 6, (actually, they had at least 2 different actors just in Ep.5-- one for the face, one for the voice) ALL those years later, they managed to get the SAME actor from Ep.6 to come back, playing the same guy-- only 30-20 years younger. (And what a rotten, EVIL bastard he was!!)

Anybody ever think that IF this had been done in the 1930s, the perfect guy to play The Emperor would have been BORIS KARLOFF ?

Luke wouldn't have had a chance. Lucas would have to change the entire story.

Robby the Robot as R2D2, WC Fields as Jabba the Hutt.

Perhaps...

Clark Gable -- Han Solo
Errol Flynn -- Lando Calrissian
Sidney Greenstreet -- Jabba The Hutt
Basil Rathbone -- Tarkin
Ronald Colman -- Obi-Wan Kenobi
Glenn Strange -- Darth Vader
Lon Chaney Jr. -- Chewbacca (I'm sorry, I couldn't help that one...)
Judy Garland -- Leia
Mel Blanc -- Yoda
Jackie Moran -- Luke Skywalker

The mind boggles! (These are in the order I thought of them.)


I just remember the very first time I saw RETURN OF THE JEDI thinking that guy sounded so much like Karloff, between the soft-spoken English accent and the gutteral, menacing evil voice. Karloff could do both so well!

The showdown between Yoda and Palpatine was the highlight of the movie for me. (When you find yourself rooting for an animated character more than for any of the human actors, it says something about a movie. I'm not sure what, though.)

Cutting back and forth between that scene and Anakin's battle with Obi-Wan was a stroke of genius, I thought. It added much tension and surprise, since the ending of the former fight was already ordained.