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Ooh, you're ahead of me, I think I've only seen up to ep 10, Fury!

Erica and Isaac have indeed been set up with sympathetic backstories. It's particularly neat how Derek points out that Erica 'gets the special chains' because she can handle more pain than either of the boys (and she turns out to be the one to push through the pain and break free anyway), and Isaac turns out to be the one who learns to control himself first.

Boyd's kind of just there. He didn't get the sympathetic backstory and he hasn't done anything particularly cool yet, IMO.

The bit with Alison's mom was a bit of a shocker. I didn't think they'd go there, and was waiting right up to the last minute for them to find a way out. I don't like how it hardens up the lines, and, combined with all the secret-having going on, makes it that much harder for the two factions to work together.

I think I'm shipping Sheriff Stilinski and Nurse McCall. Both are single parents, at their wit's ends with the crap their kids are putting them through, and getting thrown into situations together more and more (PTA meetings, called into the office when their sons have restraining orders placed against them, etc.). It might be comedy gold for Stiles and Scott to have to deal with their parents dating, and the ensuing awkwardness.

oooh, I won't spoil anything hard, but episode 11 is called BATTLEFIELD and lives up to the title! Also- following the episode, I **ALSO** became a total shipper for Papa Stiles/Nurse McCall!!

Yeah the thing with Allison's mom- that took me off guard, that they went through with it. I think it shows beyond a shoadow of a doubt that the Argents are actually ALL fanatical nutjobs though.

I just watched it on Xfinity, and wow, the little hug between Papa Stiles and Mama McCall was like vindication for my mad theory!

Your comment about 'hating Alison now' had me biting my lip that she was gonna kill Boyd and Erica in that scene! You got me all wound up!

I'm glad they glossed over so much stuff during Stiles' interview with the 'school psychologist,' as I was wondering how they could possibly wrap up as much as they needed to wrap up in only two more episodes!

I really can't wait for people to start getting on the same page. If the Sheriff, Pa Argent, Ms. McCall, the Veterinarian and Derek were all in on the information that Scott, Stiles and Alison have, there'd be a lot less unecessary crap going on (and Grandpa wouldn't be able to get away with as much as he's gotten away with).

That fake letter from Alison's mom was just brutal, and making sure she burned it afterwards, so that her dad could never see it and say 'Hey, she never wrote that...' was just sinister.

That man needs an arrow in the eye! (He lost an eye in Battlestar Galactica *and* in Smallville, so he totes needs to lose an eye here!)

I have ep 12 on the DVR but haven't watched yet-- probably tomorrow. I'm kinda nervous about it!!

Just finished the finale. Was a ride. 43 minutes of TEEN WOLF really zips by, unlike other shows of the same length.

I won't comment much until I know you've seen it Set, but I found it partly satisfying, confusing, cop-outty, surprising and set-uppy.

[Warning! SPOILERS! For any who haven't seen the season finale yet! Turn back!)

Just saw it as well, last night, and I was kinda disappointed. Too much stuff being setup for next season, too much zipping by stuff from this season.

There was, literally, no reason at all for Peter Hale to be present. Derek could have found the laptop, the veterinarian or school counselor could have had that information, the Argent family (or the Bestiary) could have had that information. There's just a plethora of ways that could have happened without Hale standing around watching shit happen, and pretty much doing nothing of consequence.

The reveal about Grandpa and his motivations explains the bit last episode with Isaac and the cute little dog at the veterinarian's office. It seemed a bit out of place, and, as the finale was winding down, I wondered if Grandpa's master plan was to somehow make the assembled wolves 'take his pain' and cure him, at the cost of their own lives, or something.

With all the, in some cases, kind of superfluous, IMO, stuff going on, I feel like certain big deals (like Scott's mom's reaction to his 'outing') got left by the wayside. I feel like this 'season finale' really kind of failed the season as a whole. (I felt the same way about pretty much every season finale of Heroes, which seemed to veer from colossal letdown to colossal letdown, so it's not a new sensation for me...)

If the writing were consistently better, I'd be really impressed with the potential for Stiles' arc. His 'I'm not a hero' comment to his father, and 'do you think this was done to hurt *me*?' comment to Lydia, and 'You've still got me.' comment to Scott all speak to a lot of inner turmoil going on, as Stiles recognizes that, not only does *he* see himself as the 'weak link,' but even Scott's enemies see him as the 'weak link,' and little more than a tool to hurt Scott, and, as their conversation t the end suggests, when Stiles has to *repeat* that Scott 'still has him,' that Scott continues to be wrapped up in his own drama, and doesn't seem to realize how much being there for Scott has cost Stiles.

It is weird that *the coach,* of all people, got a meaningful speech about needing Scott on the team, while his mom got such a thin showing. (Stiles' dad on the other hand, got a better father/son scene.) I did laugh when Grandpa was going through the people he might order the Kanema to kill. "Your mother? Your best friends father? Or I could do the whole world a favor and have him kill that fool of a coach..." Heh.

Man, that town is crawling with wolves now...

Peter, Derek, Scott, Isaac, Erica, Boyd and Jackson. Plus this new 'alpha pack.' And Lydia, the veterinarian and the school counselor still have mysterious somethings going on.

Although the show runner has insisted that while there are 'things other than werewolves out there,' that 'there will never be vampires.'

Speaking of the school counselor, and vampires, I knew I recognized her from somewhere. It's Bianca Lawson , formerly known as Kendra the Vampire Slayer! I would totally cast her as Shadow Lass, if they ever made a live-action teen Legion series...

She is drop-dead BEAUTIFUL. I loved kendra during her brief arc on Buffy; of course I was a MAJOR fan of Drusilla and Kendra was the slayer Drusilla killed.

I think this season demonstrates why TEEN WOLF needed a longer season 3. I suspect next season will seem a LOT more satisfying and see a LOT more character development and good interaction between the characters that 12 episodes just couldn't contain.

Indeed. Drusilla was amazingly fun.

"What are you doing love?"
"I'm naming the stars."
"That's the ceiling. Also, it's day."
"I can see them. But I've given them all the same name, and now there's terrible confusion..."

I read somewhere that Joss had no idea that the actress (Juliet Landau) was a kickboxer, when he scripted her fight scene with Kendra, and was disappointed, because he'd assumed the actress wouldn't be up for a big chick-fight scene, based on her poise.

Agreed.

The showrunner seems to have a real problem with letting go of characters. He's got too many, and has worked extra hard not to get rid of any.

He either needs a lot more room (which twelve more eps will certainly help with!) or to thin the herd a bit...

Girard, for instance, like Peter Hale, should have 'stayed down.' Unless he's got some brilliant use for them next season, they should overstay their welcome.

Gosh, camera-boy (Matt?) had a short run as 'big bad,' didn't he? Poor bastard.

Umm, yeah, Matt? I'm sorry but, "thrown into a pool by a bunch of mean high schoolers" does NOT give you the right to become a homicidal lunatic. I'm SO glad this bit of lameosity was addressed by the show itself (through Stiles, IIRC). I know he almost drowned, but, well... he didn't.

I'm glad none of the teen wolves have died, but I *do* think Peter being back (and Derek's previous recovery from blood-shooting-out-his-mouth internal injuries) is starting to make the wolves seem a bit TOO immortal. Gerard had a great run but he certainly should be gone now. Of course we know he isn't.

Hey Set, thought you might enjoy this article/recap! This guy had as much fun with screen captures as I did, and the article is quite funny!

WARNING TO OTHERS: Article is CHOCK-FULL of both season 1 and 2 SPOILERS for TEEN WOLF. Reading this essentially tells you everything that happened.


http://www.tv.com/news/the-18-best-things-about-teen-wolf-season-2-29446/?page=2

Oh I am hoping this is just unfounded gossip!!


http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/10/11/teen-wolf-colton-haynes-to-exit/

, since Lash asked where this was.

So far, season 3, ep 1 can only be seen here, and isn't up on Hulu or whatever.

On the upside, it's actually viewable there, unlike the last year, when it was pretty much impossible to watch episodes on MTV.com.

I started episode 1; I commented to my friend watching with me that this show was really gay-friendly, and right after that was the scene where the 2 alphas strip off their shirts and one LITERALLY climbs inside the other to make a giant version of themselves. That scene was so ridiculously over the top that I turned it off right there and haven't been back.

I'm not sure I can go back after that, Set! Talk me off the ledge!!

It was pretty darn over the top. From my side of the fence, couldn't they have had hot female twins crawling all up inside each other or something?

As of episode two, it seems that one of the twins is gay, since Lydia mentions that she is going to snag 'the straight one.'

The writing continues to be sloppy. For instance, one of the characters in episode 2 specifically mentions that the twin alphas can merge into a giant super-alpha, despite the fact that they literally have no way of knowing that (since the only person to actually see that wasn't present, and hadn't told anyone about it). It's like the writer(s) forgot that the characters on the show hadn't watched episode 1 and didn't know everything that happened...

Really, it's kind of a PG rating away from True Blood. Badly written eye-candy (with characters that, IMO, are not quite so egregiously stupid as those on True Blood).

Eh. I'll still watch it. I'm a sucker for anything supernatural. I'm still watching Warehouse 13, and that's just painfully dumb, most of the time (especially when compared to the rare *good* sci-fi shows like Eureka).

In addition to the Jackson character being written off-screen (since the actor is off doing Arrow), the actress who plays Erica is also unavailable, so she's been written out. A new female werewolf character has shown up, 'though, which is probably for the best, since the show is already a sausage-fest.

MMM.... I dunno. I was SO mortified by the scene I described above, and what you tell me isn't really encouraging me.

If I'm being totally honest, a lot of my hesitation to get back into it MAY be the loss of the Jackson (Colton Haynes) character, whom, despite how much I may have picked on him previously in this thread, was definitely my biggest draw to the show... if he was flaming, then call me "moth", the boy is pure beauty-!!

Well, I will keep reading your reviews if you post them, and may pick back up with it later based on your opinions.

Yeah, the Jackson role was so important last season that his absence this season leaves a little bit of a characterization gap (much like Cordelia leaving Buffy left a hole that it took both Spike *and* Anya to fill, neither entirely satisfactorily, IMO).

I suspect that the whole Alpha Pack coming to town storyline was supposed to some way tie into the Kanima business, and with the actor gone, the Alpha Pack's reason to be in Beacon Hills had to be rewritten.

OTOH, I imagine the actor is happy that he got a role that doesn't involve him being naked every episode. (Not that Arrow doesn't have Oliver take his shirt off for no damn reason every episode anyway. Oh my gosh, he needs to drink this medicine! Quick, take his shirt off!)

Having a whole season to play with seems to have encouraged them to drag stuff out. The first four episodes have felt a bit slow, to me.

You might find the 4th ep a bit better. The beginning had some hilarious dorkishness from Stiles. The wondertwins activate their 'form of a conjoined werewolf twin' power again, but it's done in a much less over-the-top way.

Thanks for keeping me posted; I've found a surprising number of fun TV fodder to keep me satiated this summer, but I'm always looking for more.

And you are SO right re: ARROW and its shirtlessness. I totally plan to add up how many times they have Ollie shirtless vs. Roy this season! For research purposes, of course!

There's been a crazy ton of interesting stuff lately! I really enjoyed Hannibal, for instance, and I'm still watching various post-apocalyptic-y stuff like Defiance and Revolution and Falling Skies. (And I usually hate post-apocalyptic-y stuff, 'cause it's so bleak!)

Burn Notice and Rookie Blue just picked up again, and that's still a guilty pleasure (although not so guilty as Royal Pains, which I only watch for Divya), and Graceland is pretty decent so far.

Can't wait for Suits to pick back up as well.

On Netflix, there's some South African series called Charlie Jade that's surprisingly good, and a bit of a mind-screw. Also the much more recent Hemlock Grove, which is almost-not-quite John Lynch-esque in its supernatural quirkiness.



Just don't make a drinking game out of it, 'cause that amount of liquor might kill you!

Arrow is surprisingly good. I put up with Smallville, because it was the only game in town, but Arrow just takes it up an order of magnitude.