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Gonna be glad to see the "flip" side of this story. See alll the weird things explained.

I would love to see Giffen have the Legionnaires visit the DP at this point in their lives now that they're older.

BTW, JMS did with Cliff the same thing all of the best DP writers have done: they basically make Cliff seem like the coolest guy you'd ever want to hang out with.

Finally read the Legion/Doom Patrol issue and loved it.

I'd write more but Cobalt Kid has already pretty much said exactly what I would have so just re-read his post three up from this one.

I was actually pretty underwhelmed by this story. I think it may have actually been the weakest of JMS's run thus far. It didn't suck or anything--but it also didn't make very much sense.

My main problem was the threat of the black hole. I was waiting for an explanation that we never got. What caused it to appear? Why did it reach the Earth so much quicker than Garth expected it to? I mean, did I miss something?

I suppose that could all be explained in the Subs/IF follow-up. I doubt it, but if so, that wouldn't make this particular story any stronger for it.

And the Legionnaires went to find the DP because they needed "someone who can control ridiculous amounts of energy"? I've never felt that was something that described Negative Man and his powers. Seems like there had to be any number of other DCU characters who would've fit that bill better.

No, I think JMS missed an opportunity to have the DP and that iteration of the LSH face something a lot more goofy and Silver Agey that would've been more appropriate to the characters and more memorable. I suspect the next issue will give me more of what I was hoping for in tone and story here.

I hope so, at least.

This was definitely my favorite scene from the last issue. Overall I've found the JMS run to be just alright, every issue feels very decompressed (albeit I did skip the Ladies Night Out issue).

^Imra looks and acts incredibly attractive in this story. That isn't too unusual in Legion history, but more so than I've seen in quite awhile.

I wasn't impressed with this one. The story itself wasn't very compelling, there was too much exposition and science-y mumbo jumbo and I get that there's another half to this story (in a "Back to the Future II" kinda way) but it didn't make this half of the story more enjoyable - it seemed to function solely to set up the next issue.

Guess we know how that black hole got there so quickly.

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Hooray for the Inferior Five and Legion of Substitute Heroes issue. This was laugh out loud funny. It's the best treatment the subs have had in years, and perhaps the best treatment for the Inferior Five ever. Those who were disappointed in last issue need to pick this one up. It was definitely part one of a two parter. The payoff for a lot of what happened last time is here. Very clever.

I love that one panel at the end where they're looking at us with puppy dog eyes.

Yeah, it's a priceless panel.

And Night Girl going "SILENCE!"

But...they didn't really do anything other than talk about doing things.

This two-part story would have been 100 times better if the time travel was left to a minimum and he concentrated on the characters doing something (besides last issue's improbable power display that didn't make sense).

I'd have preferred they all tackle a villain or group of villains. That would have had much better pay offs and more story fodder.

My thought exactly ... plus I'd thought we'd get to see more of the Chief being annoyed by the Subs ...

There's no fighting in this book, but there's no need for it. The most intriguing part is the mix of the Subs and the Five. The Subs are heroes who were rejected from the Legion because their powers are either lame, or they lacked proper control. The Five are legacy heroes (their moms and dads were all proper heroes), but they're powers are heavily dampened, their courage and strength is lacking, or they aren't smart enough. The Subs WANT to be taken seriously, but it's not gonna happen for a while. The Five KNOW they're ridiculous, but they're comfortable with it and enjoy being with each other. The Five basically drive the Subs crazy.

But...they also didn't really interact much. At the very least this story should have given me a feel for most of the characters and I got nothing. Other than Dumb Bunny almost all the word balloons could have come from any of them and not read any differently.

This is the great writing that everyone is raving about? I'm not impressed. DC COMICS PRESENTS #59 owns this story. That one had the laughs and made you familiar and interested in the characters.

This story only matters to me for my Legion completion needs, it did nothing to endear these characters in my mind.

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Cause someone has to talk about it...

FUNNY ! FUNNY ! FUNNY! totally hilarious.

Ran through it fast before I had to go out and the ART is incredible, just gorgeous!
The Inferior Five are so adorable.
And the story ties into the Legion/Doom Patrol story!
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More comments after a thorough reading.

This made me smile for so many reasons. For those of you who don't know, the Inferior Five's constant breaking of the Fourth Wall comes from their time in Limbo. In the pages of Grant Morrison's Animal Man in 1989, Merryman and the others had been part of an entire tier of characters stuck in Limbo, the realm where forgotten comic characters go when they're taken out of continuity. Since then, Dumb Bunny has been the only one to make the most appearances out of Limbo.

There's no fighting in this book, but there's no need for it. The most intriguing part is the mix of the Subs and the Five. The Subs are heroes who were rejected from the Legion because their powers are either lame, or they lacked proper control. The Five are legacy heroes (their moms and dads were all proper heroes), but they're powers are heavily dampened, their courage and strength is lacking, or they aren't smart enough. The Subs WANT to be taken seriously, but it's not gonna happen for a while. The Five KNOW they're ridiculous, but they're comfortable with it and enjoy being with each other. The Five basically drive the Subs crazy.

This book also answers some of the questions from the previous one, as to how the black hole got to Earth so quickly, the constantly moving time bubbles, and how Dumb Bunny's tail wound up in the bubble's controls.

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My favourite moment was when Dumb BUnny said to the Subs: "Y'know, I don't say this very often, but this time I think that YOU'RE confused."

Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hah!

Jeepers, for me the whole point of the story was that nothing really happened!!
It was like an absurdist comedy where the characters just satirize everything, including themselves and the story they're stuck in.
They poked fun at the readers, the inherent contradictions of science fiction and the current state of comic books as well.
I was giggling from beginning to end & had a couple of laugh out loud moments!
The art was simply incredible!!

did anyone love those dog eyes they did at the end?

at this point they should totally have a time travel scene with them and the JLI lol. Pure insanity and you know Guy would so hit on Dumb Bunny.

I did.

Just read it and all I can say is.... Oh, My!

Hi, Mod talk here. There is already a Brave & Bold thread at Dr. Gym'll's. I am going to move this thread to Dr. Gym'll's and then have it combined with the other thread.