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by Ann Hebistand - 02/02/25 04:10 PM
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Wow. Just when you think this book can't get any better... wow.
A brilliant re-telling of the origin of the Spirit, plus the introduction of what looks to be an awesome new villain.
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Here\'s an article on the Spirit movie at Newsarama. I'm pretty skeptical of this.
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Originally posted by Eryk Davis Ester: Here\'s an article on the Spirit movie at Newsarama.
I'm pretty skeptical of this. What caught your attention? It seemed encouraging to me, particularly the part about not needing to ignore history, fans...
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The poster looks like it was left over from Miller's Sin City. The Spirit shouldn't be scowling so it already looks like it's been 'Millerfied'.
Be afraid that its going to be the All-Star Batman wearing a fedora.
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Miller's said things to the effect that this is going to be based on "darker" Eisner stories rather than the more light-hearted ones. So it sounds to me like he's being pretty selective about which history he isn't ignoring.
I'm thoroughly expecting this to be in the "I'm the goddamn Spirit!" mode.
It may be a seriously problem with attempting to do a movie based on the Spirit, in that the character was used by Eisner to tell such a variety of stories, and single movie intepretation is liable to be very one-sided. I'm much more excited by the prospect of the animated series than the movie. And, of course, the Spirit ongoing rocks!
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And speaking of Cooke's awesome Spirit ongoing, #1 is getting a second printing! The Spirit Sells Out!
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That's good news.
Maybe more people will discover this book.
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Okay after an origin issue that I thought was merely okay.
This one is the best issue yet. Silk Satin rocks beyond all imagination. And the funny and mysterious Hussein Hussein is back.
I also like how even though all the issues are self-contained they seem to building to a bigger story involving the Octagon.
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Yes! This book is *so* incredibly awesome!
I think I'm in love with Silk Satin!
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Now *that's* what scares me about the movie!
Frank Miller better not do wrong by my Silk Satin!
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That's rather peculiar.
I just finished the Eisner/Miller interview book (published by Dark Horse). While they admired each other's work, they really seemed to be on different pages, so to speak - and even at odds on a number of matters, including the purpose of a comic. Eisner wanted to tell a story, Miller wanted to shake up the reader. I wonder what is the extent of Miller's involvement in the movie.
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Originally posted by Fat Cramer: I wonder what is the extent of Miller's involvement in the movie.
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Given that the poster for the movie looks like a reject from Sin City, I'd say Miller has too much to do with it.
After All-Star Batman, the best we can probably hope for is that in the movie, The Spirit won't abduct a black child from Central City's slums, scare the living daylight out of him, force him to wear whiteface and take him to a brothel.
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I have a bad feeling about this. And I like Frank Miller's work. Still, if he makes the surrounding world grim & gritty but keeps the Spirit heroic, it could be okay. Maybe.
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Back to more pleasant subjects... I thought it was cool that Cooke made the story work without really giving us any explanation whatsoever about how the Spirit ended up in Texas.
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A mysterious underworld source told him? And then Ebony drove him? Dropping him off so he'd have to catch a ride home with Silk. (Denny must of resisted this part of the plan, I know)
I'm sure some people find this leap of logic immense and mind boggling.
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One of the interesting things was the reference to Satin's deceased daughter. Apparently, in the original series, one of the big storylines involves Satin being re-united with her long lost daughter. It's obvious that this was supposed to reference that in some way, but I'm wondering if this is setup for the future, or what?
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A nice review from Newsarama The Spirit #4 From: DC Comics Writer: Darwyn Cooke Art: Darwyn Cooke and J. Bone Review by Jamie Trecker
About a year ago, a noble attempt to revitalize a beloved character bit the dust. The book, supposedly, had everything the fans wanted: A star artist, an “all-ages” feel, easy access for newcomers and nods to past continuity. But the book and the character came with baggage; past attempts to revitalize the character in its own title had flopped, and the character was best remembered by a small group of cognoscenti as the product of a comic-book auteur.
The book was Plastic Man, drawn by Kyle Baker. So-called “highbrow” folks, (most of whom weren’t even old enough to remember Jack Cole’s pioneering work) trashed Baker’s efforts, refusing to let go of their memories of the sinuous, erratic and singular character. As for the rest, most people didn’t even remember Plastic Man to begin with, and so the book died a slow death on the shelves.
I fear DC’s latest noble effort to give life to an old character, Will Eisner’s Spirit, may follow the same path. If so, that sad fate will be undeserved, for under the hands of “The New Frontier’s” Darwyn Cooke, J. Bone, and the luminous colors of Dave Stewart, the Spirit may be the best book on the shelves at the moment.
There’s no job more thankless than trying to breathe new life into a cherished memory — just ask Grant Morrison about the X-Men. But the thing is, few people actually buying comics right now remember the Spirit, the groundbreaking newspaper serial of the late 1930s. The people who know Eisner’s work today came to it via reprint, and a group of jealous, self-appointed custodians have sprung up, ready to bash any deviation from “continuity.” Unfortunately, these folks’ hatred of change conflicts with the needs of the marketplace: DC is trying to sell comic books after all, and for the Spirit to survive it needs to attract new readers, preferably ones who will sympathize with a “dead” guy running around in a mask with a curious lack of strings.
So Cooke is trying to chart a middle path, mining Eisner’s fertile library of characters while giving the book a modern feel. Take his skillful use of Ellen Dolan, P’Gell and Silk Satin, just three of the many engaged and independent women in the Spirit’s canon. In each case, Cooke has managed to imbue them not only with a sense of history, but with distinctive personalities to boot, the latter being a far more difficult task. Cooke has also done well with the now-glaring Ebony White character, stripping away the minstrel veneer that modern readers of Eisner’s period work would find offensive.
Cooke can’t match Eisner’s visual vocabulary and gracefully shambling figures, so to his credit, he doesn’t try. Instead, Cooke and Bone’s linework is confident and solid, with an economy that belies how sophisticated the underlying structure of the artwork truly is. Drawing from the visual world created by Bruce Timm, the late Mike Parobeck, and Herge’s Tintin, Cooke’s characters have life and heft magnified by Stewart’s exuberant coloring. Case in point: The splash page of the current issue uses a cunning device I won’t spoil here, but suffice it to say that it is the first of the series to capture the sense of wonder that Eisner’s original, oft-copied introductory pages did. There are quirks — modern readers will surely wonder about the Commissioner’s bizarre hair-style (and I wondered why Denny Colt had no upper lip) but the whole package sweeps you on in a whirlwind of cheesecake and good-natured fun.
Art isn’t everything, of course, and Cooke does try a bit too hard at times on the writing end. The current issue overuses a pretentious joke about portraitist Thomas Gainsborough (famous for a work called “Blue Boy”); and Satin’s personality seems to take a disturbingly clichéd turn toward the latter half of the book, with a thoroughly unbelievable romantic scene coming after our hero has behaved like a jerk.
But give credit to Cooke for having the cojones to allow Denny Colt to be a jerk. He has the confidence to allow his characters to be more than just engines for the plot, and the lives he has created in just five issues (counting the Spirit/Batman one-shot with Jeph Loeb) will give readers more sense of depth than most omnibus collections of, well, let’s say the X-Men. My gut tells me Mr. Morrison would surely agree.
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Plastic Man was no joy for me to see. I felt like a 2 year old watching his first saturday morning cartoon. It just hit "too young" for me.
Spirit -- Plastic Man == apples and oranges.
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I'm not all that familiar with either Baker's Plastic Man or Cole's original version, but my understanding is that the comparison *is* a little screwy. Baker's take on the Plastic Man character was pretty far away from the original, as I understand it, while Cooke is staying very close to the basics of Eisner's version.
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I really enjoyed Plastic Man. In a market full of angst ridden heroes and a world of doom and gloom I found it a refreshing change of pace. I have never read any of the original plastic man stories but I found that not to be a problem.
I have also never read any of the original Spirit stories but I am really enjoying this series as well. I don't know anything about the character or his history and was drawn to this sries because of Darwyn Cooke and, like with Plastic Man, I don't find that to be a problem. Actually, it is probably a bonus: I have no preconcieved ideas of how the character "should" be and I am enjoying the book for what it is.
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Just read #3 & 4 last night. Good origin story - and visually beautiful. This was one of the few times I actually checked to see who the colorist and letterer were.
It was great to see loveable scoundrel Hussein back in #4 - I hope he pops up from time to time. Silk Satin is certainly admirable and I bet/hope she becomes a regular as well.
An "Eisner thing" that continues in this series is the unusual and different logo for each issue's title page. That Miller-Eisner interview book had quite a few of the original Spirit logos and they were all very imaginative. You don't often see artists having fun with the logo like that.
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