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Final Crisis #7 preview!

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Can't wait. Looks like this flows pretty smoothly out of "Superman: Beyond", with Captain Marvel and the Ultima Thule showing up, along with the Question from FC:6. Hope it all comes together.

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All I heard from the comic shops I frequent and fan reaction on the internet was how impenetrable and ridiculous Superman: Beyond was. Well, I just finished it, and actually, its probably the single best part of Final Crisis thus far, I think. Now the rest of the event…

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All I heard from the comic shops I frequent and fan reaction on the internet was how impenetrable and ridiculous Superman: Beyond was. Well, I just finished it, and actually, its probably the single best part of Final Crisis thus far, I think. Now the rest of the event…
Superman: Beyond was amazing. I'm still thinking about that last page a week later. I'm hoping some of that bleeds (no pun intended) into the last issue of the series proper.

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[b] All I heard from the comic shops I frequent and fan reaction on the internet was how impenetrable and ridiculous Superman: Beyond was. Well, I just finished it, and actually, its probably the single best part of Final Crisis thus far, I think. Now the rest of the event…
Superman: Beyond was amazing. I'm still thinking about that last page a week later. I'm hoping some of that bleeds (no pun intended) into the last issue of the series proper. [/b]
Ah, great. Two more i$$ues I gotta try and find.


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So, it's over. I already said how I feel about it on the DC forums. What say you?

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i say i'm really confused. and i don't think it's my fault.

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reading this makes me feel angry and tired.

this must be what it's like for a dog watching tv. there's words and pictures but it's all very bewildering. and every now and then you go "i know that person...oh they're gone. who's that.. what. what....i thought batman died in that other book..."

were the other crisis things like this...? this is my first crisis that i've actually bought and read and i think it made me physically ill.

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...were the other crisis things like this...?
lol

Don't get me started. I'm still ticked off at them for killing Supergirl. [rolleyes] Sure, it was all comprehensible, but that didn't help my mood any.


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Well, I think Morrison picked that up when he killed Overgirl.

I liked it, personally. There were some problems, but, it was good. For me at least.

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.......i'm not crazy <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text"> he DID kill darkseid with a song</span></span> right? right?

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<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">I don't think it was a song just high pitched notes, and someone can't spell a Tyroc "OOOOYY EEEEEEI OOUUU!"</span></span>

My problem with this issue? Captain Carrot.

My problem with this who series? Same as will all other Crises- A bunch of lame heroes we don't now and never will care about taking up 75% of the issues. And I'm sure as heck not picking up "Revelations" or "Rogues Revenge" or any of that other crap. So how did they get the mask off Wonder Woman? Who are these kids getting the bedtime story?

Sigghh.


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reading this makes me feel angry and tired.

this must be what it's like for a dog watching tv. there's words and pictures but it's all very bewildering. and every now and then you go "i know that person...oh they're gone. who's that.. what. what....i thought batman died in that other book..."

were the other crisis things like this...? this is my first crisis that i've actually bought and read and i think it made me physically ill.
"Crisis on Infinite Earths" was actually very comprehensible. But it was done with very specific reasons in mind (reordering/rebooting the DCU), as opposed to just being done for a high profile writer to show off how clever he is (which is all I'm getting from what I read of Final Crisis.)

The two high profile deaths (Barry Allen and Supergirl) seemed to be done not just to show off how super-scary the bad guy was. Barry's death let Wally step up and replace his mentor which was a novel concept then, and Supergirl was soon to be gotten rid of anyway due to John Byrne's notions of making Superman more unique. At least with "Crisis" she got to go out a hero. And the deaths actually stuck for a surprisingly long time as opposed to Batman's wink, wink death.

Also, the lead-ups and tie-ins to "Crisis on Infinite Earths" were mostly limited to the regular titles, as opposed to requiring additional miniseries purchases just to make heads or tails of it. The downside of COIE was that it left a lot of those books floundering, and the followthrough on the DCU revisions were not well organized.

I could rant on, but I think the problems with "Final Crisis" have as much to do with the way the industry works now versus 20 years ago as it does the problems with the actual story. Comics were still at least partially expected to be read by actual kids, and there was more emphasis on clarity and story mechanics. Now they're focusing on a shrinking base and stuck on a no-win cycle of trying to top themselves by making each more "epic" than the last.

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reading this makes me feel angry and tired.

this must be what it's like for a dog watching tv. there's words and pictures but it's all very bewildering. and every now and then you go "i know that person...oh they're gone. who's that.. what. what....i thought batman died in that other book..."
i couldn't have said it better myself.

they shoulda called it crappy crisis.

i can't gather my patience to write more of a critique than that. it better be final.

but wasn't there one monitor for the multiverse before??

my very most favorite part:

"the story of the death of batman. of how just a man, had fatally wounded the god of evil. and what we stood for."


guns!! guns!! that's what they stood for! batman hated guns and he died in a shootout. ugghh. sorry i have to go vomit now.

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And I'm sure as heck not picking up "Revelations" or "Rogues Revenge"
FWIW: Rogues would be comprehensible to any Flash fan and IMO was very good even with only a fleeting knowledge of what was going on in the other books. It helped to know the baddies were attempting to recruit them and why.

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[b] reading this makes me feel angry and tired.

this must be what it's like for a dog watching tv. there's words and pictures but it's all very bewildering. and every now and then you go "i know that person...oh they're gone. who's that.. what. what....i thought batman died in that other book..."

were the other crisis things like this...? this is my first crisis that i've actually bought and read and i think it made me physically ill.
"Crisis on Infinite Earths" was actually very comprehensible. But it was done with very specific reasons in mind (reordering/rebooting the DCU), as opposed to just being done for a high profile writer to show off how clever he is (which is all I'm getting from what I read of Final Crisis.)

The two high profile deaths (Barry Allen and Supergirl) seemed to be done not just to show off how super-scary the bad guy was. Barry's death let Wally step up and replace his mentor which was a novel concept then, and Supergirl was soon to be gotten rid of anyway due to John Byrne's notions of making Superman more unique. At least with "Crisis" she got to go out a hero. And the deaths actually stuck for a surprisingly long time as opposed to Batman's wink, wink death.

Also, the lead-ups and tie-ins to "Crisis on Infinite Earths" were mostly limited to the regular titles, as opposed to requiring additional miniseries purchases just to make heads or tails of it. The downside of COIE was that it left a lot of those books floundering, and the followthrough on the DCU revisions were not well organized.

I could rant on, but I think the problems with "Final Crisis" have as much to do with the way the industry works now versus 20 years ago as it does the problems with the actual story. Comics were still at least partially expected to be read by actual kids, and there was more emphasis on clarity and story mechanics. Now they're focusing on a shrinking base and stuck on a no-win cycle of trying to top themselves by making each more "epic" than the last.[/b]
I think Matt you make an excellent point. So much has been lost in the craft of story-mechanics and making plots accessible to readers. Not even dialogue or pacing (which has also changed) but the putting together a comprehensible story that moved from part to part in a clear way even when it was extremely complicated. This is the prime reason why the first Crisis was so great; and also why so many subsequent crossovers have failed.

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i feel like morrison's problem is that he wants to write PROSE book SO SO MUCH. SO MUCH.and also he doesn't really care to write about these particular characters so it's like.. square peg round hole...

...also he can't write very well~ <3

this was so bizarre and stupid that LSH 50 is comforting in a way...

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I'm sorry, I just couldn't. 52 and Countdown ruined me, I'm just not interested in the crossover d'jour after those incredible pieces of crap.

DC has made it damned difficult to follow a single storyline anymore. I wanted to get the New Krypton story but where do you start? What books are the story crossed over into? They lost me and I haven't got a clue where a jumping on point is.

I likes me my comics but I don't do much Marvel at all and it feels like DC just doesn't want my money anymore. I guess I'm going back to collecting mainly the independents and the Legion (if there is one)

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I have just one question. Was this better than Countdown?

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YK: awww, yellow. <3 i'll call you yellow-kid-the-beer. <3

YOU HAVE TO READ ALL OF THEM! follow the numbers in the little green triangle!! and don't worry if you miss one, because they summarize at the beginning of each issue <3. well, just wait for the trade! i liked it a lot <3

also i LOVED rogues revenge, it reads like any other flash arc, except it's villains and it takes place during crisis but it doesn't NEED to, it's really just a cool rogues story <3 it was really neat.

god. i'm just glad it's OVER. really, i guess FC is just a "GUYS! GUYS, WE'RE THROWING SOME STUFF OUT, OK?" memo. it could have been a giant bookmark they gave out for free, really...

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text"> did anyone else think he was just going to USE the frigging miracle machine?!! not... rebuild it... why... why did he rebuild it. why. that's like my friend showing me her screwdriver when i need one. and then i have to go build one instead of borrowing hers. the problem with it is that like... now anything f-ed up in this new world will be superman's fault... "well honey, you have no legs because superman didn't wish for you to have them...i guess superman hates you".</span></span>

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I loved it, and thought it was a good capping of the series. Superman: Beyond was still the best part (and essential to understanding the standoff at the end). If I have time on the weekend I'd like to try a page by page accounting of what's going on and see if other people picked up the same things I did. Sorry a lot of you didn't dig it.

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<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text"> did anyone else think he was just going to USE the frigging miracle machine?!! not... rebuild it... why... why did he rebuild it. why. that's like my friend showing me her screwdriver when i need one. and then i have to go build one instead of borrowing hers. the problem with it is that like... now anything f-ed up in this new world will be superman's fault... "well honey, you have no legs because superman didn't wish for you to have them...i guess superman hates you".</span></span>
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Except that the screwdriver you build could only be used once to fix what you needed to and then would never be available to accidently stick into the electrical outlet and short out the entire city</span></span>

Not that I've even done that or anything.

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So other than circumstances surrounding Batman, what else is changed for the DCU as read in non-Morrison penned titles?

I kind of liked #7 in a dispassionate sort of way. But it still reads like a stand-alone Elseworlds sort of story to me. And I found it cold, cold, cold.

I liked the Captain Carrot bit- I think it was supposed to represent the scope of the DCU, though the thought needed some repetition to really be effective.

I think the art failed that near-concluding segment. As the 'good' Monitor (I guess he's good, I'm not really sure) kept adding to his list of champions and they appeared- the prospect should've seemed bigger and bigger.

I don't think the grandeur in the words and the plot at that point came across.

That last page or two- is that meant to be way back in time? Or just in a cave in Australia or somewhere?

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^^^ We don't all live in caves in Australia you know! wink

(I know what you meant Mystery Lad but it just brought back funny memories of when I was first at college in Ohio and people would ask me if we had grass in Australia. Or pizza. Or if everyone had a pet kangaroo.)

I need to give the latest issue another read before I come to a definitive conclusion about it. So far, I think I liked it more than the last few but first impressions are that it was a disappointing and nigh-on incomprehensible finale and a let-down after (what I considered to be) an interesting build-up in the first few issues.

As for the original 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' - that is the MACK-DADDY of event comics and still the BEST! Its story, characterisation and art (of course) still stand head and shoulders above Final Crisis and the suck that was Infinite Crisis. I don't get how Marv Wolfman and George Perez could get something so right more than 20 years ago that today's writers seem to have so much trouble with.

Much as I love it though - it's a tough book to sell to new readers. The grandeur and impact of it will have undoubtedly been tarnished by the multitude of subsequent inferior "events" and if you don't have a widespread knowledge of (or at least interest in) the many different worlds and characters and elements that exist within the DCU you might find yourself a little bit lost or bored.

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By the way, this is an excellent analysis of what Morrison was trying to do with this series I think.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19743

It does make a lot of sense to me now and I think I can respect the work a lot more for it but it just doesn't change the fact that there were a lot of parts to this story that I just didn't *enjoy*.

And for all his post-modern cleverness isn't that the one thing GM was supposed to be doing for me.

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