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There are novels coming. Info on the first one...featuring a character that is no longer around...

Info here.

Hmmm... at first, I was thinking I would prefer this in comic form, but novel form is probably the way to go...

No sense in possibly delaying TWD every month by putting spinoffs in Kirkman's lap.

Yeah, I think I'm excited about this--!

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I'm not hitting the CBS 'til Saturday.

But I must say I agree with what you have written. Death should have followed very very quickly.

Not passing judgement just yet though.

I dunno. Having finally gotten to issue #83 and that haunting two-page spread, it's hard not to analyze the wound and try to figure out it's survivability. To me, it looks like the bullet entered the eyeball at a severe left angle and may have missed the brain on its way to taking the right ear out. I'm assuming that people think the bullet took out the eye on a more direct angle because it's completely missing. In my mind it took it out from an angle. It looks like there's this horrible hole right behind where his eye was, but I'm seeing that as more like what's left behind with the eyeball taken out. It could have missed the brain and the surrounding infrastructure.

I'm no anatomy expert, so I'm probably missing something you guys are not. Yes, the injury looks horrific as depicted, but the angle of the wound makes it appear that it could possibly be nonfatal. I dunno. I wish there was a diagram of the human skull somewhere that would show exactly where everything is in relationship to the wound as depicted.

I can't imagine that if the character lives through this that Kirkman doesn't have the science of it all backing him up. Possibly Charlie Adlard's to blame for his drawing maybe going further than the script dictated?

Of course, this is all assuming the character ultimately lives....

83 had some other disturbing scenes to go along with that one, didn't it? I really wasn't expecting those other two particular characters to die after having the principle shocker spoiled for me! (The other two weren't shocking given the cover and the events of last issue.) The way they died and how Rick acted in the moment were pretty shocking, though Kirkman kinda set it up at the end of last issue and the beginning of this one.

It was interesting to see the cast finally trying that trick that Rick and Glenn used waaaaaay back (and on the TV show) for the first time since. The results were much less successful, though. I wonder if the urination set the dead off or if it was ultimately the fact that our cast were just talking too much?

I'll get to 84 before long. Obviously, I know the character in jeopardy is still among the living for the moment, causing all this controversy. I'm curious to see who else lives and dies and how the survivors managed to surprisingly turn this invasion around as the spoilers hint.

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Well some pretty horrible facial wounds can be survived.

This example is from the first world war and managed to live through the filth and mud of the trenches to get to a hospital.

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Granted I think the main point is "get to a hospital, which cant happen in walking dead, but you get my drift.

OH MY GOSH... THAT was HORRIBLE....

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In museums on the front line I have seen much worse. I was appalled and fascinated at the same time. I just could not see how these poor buggers had survived. Huge gaping holes in their faces, with eyes, noses, and jaws missing. Yet they did. They were treated, given care and help, even rudimentary plastic surgery and sent home to their loved ones.

It just makes me think that as long as that bullet missed the brain and from what I saw it might have, the fact it has taken the back of the head off as well may not make it beyond the realms of possibility that he can survive, at least for a while.

After all this is a comic where Zombies walk the earth eating people, if the reader can suspend disbelief for that why not for this?

My wife reads TWD with me. She has a degree in biology. In her opinion the wound as depicted is survivable and would not have hit the brain nor breached the area where the brain is protected. I wish I had a link to the image or could post it here (but that would be extremely spoilery for the TPB people whom I'm trying to consider), but when I look at it, it seems more and more that the bullet penetrated about an inch into the side of his face at an outward angle. The missing eye makes it look as if it went directly through from the front, but it did not. The empty eye socket enhances the illusion that the bullet exited through the back of his head, but it did not! The hole in his hat is off to the side, to the left of where his ear had been, NOT in the back of his head!

Yes, Carl could still possibly die of blood loss, shock, infection or other complications, but he did NOT take a bullet in the brain! It's an ugly, shocking and horrifically disfiguring shot but not necessarily a fatal one, certainly not an instantly fatal one. He did have immediate access to medical care, albeit not anything like a top-notch trauma unit. If he didn't lose too much blood, if the shock doesn't kill him and if any infection is treated, he could conceivably live as far as I can tell.

Again, I think the missing eye is throwing people off and keeping them from looking at the image properly. So look again, and maybe you'll see what I saw.

So if he lives past the first page of issue 85 and even well beyond, I'm still aboard as a massive fan of this series. If he doesn't, Iam, as a friend of mine recently said, "so long and thanks for all the fish." And forgive me if I choose to continue to follow the book anyway.

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Well I'm gonna bow out of this debate; I have my opinion on the matter and respect differing ones, but based on my years dealing with ocular problems I'm not likely to change my opinion on the matter.

I will not let it hamper my enjoyment of the series though... (I haven't even READ 84 yet for gosh sakes).

Iam Legion, your tone is getting dangerously close to breaking the User Agreement. Please keep in mind Respect is the guideline of this forum.

I've said my peace on the subject. I'll just recommend again that everyone examine the art closely.

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Thanks, I know it's easy to get passionate or enthusiastic about a series. I do hope you'll keep commenting (should you continue reading).

I certainly don't expect 100% realism from a post apocalyptic zombie comic. Graphic storytelling demands a certain amount of emotional punch from its graphics. If an artist goes a bit over the top, so be it. The real story of issue #84 is the toll that the events of last issue is taking on Rick's psyche. His rambling about hope was mesmerizing.

Do not have the issue yet, but it sounds like the old Serials ending for last issue. Everything looks one way (in this case, literally) but it turns out that it is a little bit different than initally thought...in the shot persons case. Kinda cheap...but ah well, I love this book for it's drama anyway.

It's still early to judge. The events from last issue aren't resolved yet. The story is not over. Let's wait and see.

Issue #84 was a good issue overall. It seems to be heading in one direction, but Kirkman has been known to pull the rug out from under us before.

Thought this arc has been fantastic.

Faraway's posts a page back proved people have lived with worse, so that however it plays out wont affect my measure of realism in the series.

Like Jerry says, Rick has just been mesmerizing for the last two issues. Really well done.

The 'last stand together' was perhaps the most heroic moment in the series yet.

Finally read 84... was glad to see everyone make that stand, and what resulted from it.

I am going to "wait and see" mode for Carl's fate. Rick's newfound hope might very well vanish were Carl to die (or, say, be brain-damaged).

The letters page in issue #85 is quite interesting. It touches on the discussions we've had here regarding whether Carl's wound, as depicted, is survivable.

85 was a good issue. Covered a lot of bases, touched on a lot of topics.

Although, it did all that, it felt kind of flat after teh last few issues...but keep in mind, for me a flat issue of TWD is still better than most other comics great issues.

Abraham is stone cold honest throughout the issue ...with varying reactions. Rick is seemingly calm considering what his true state of mind is. Good thing he wasn't outside with Glenn and Abe...woo boy, that might have pushed him over an edge.

Looking forward to seeing what Carls fate is sooner than later...hope that plot point does not drag out forever...like until issue 100 or something.

As a side note, I do believe the book would survive without Rick and Carl. Andrea and/or Michonne would carry the book for several years on their own. I could see Abraham highlighted for a while. There could also beanother ccharacterthat we meet soon that could take it to issue 200. I do not think that the book is totally dependant on Rick/Carl...