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I agree! (Hey Icey!)

Also loved the Dibny's appearance.

Loving Ollie here. All I can say is "Yay Chuck Dixon!". I actually feel genuinely happy with myself for buying an Outsiders comic again!

So we've got a tense issue, more setting up for the big bang next month. Batman recruits some help to rescue the China team while Rex takes a space walk.

There's a number of small moments, and you get the feeling next issue is going to be PACKED with action. I'm with Cobie, this title is all kinds of fun!

I've got to say that Grace, a character I liked at the start but grew to loathe when Winnick began forcing her machismo in my face, is actually really great when Dixon's writing her. He might actually make me start liking her after I'd written her off as a stereotypical female powerhouse (again?!!) meets the stereotypical "I'm liberated which means I sleep with everyone" (also played out 1,000,000 times by now).

Well Tieri is writing the two part tie in with Batman RIP. And with an announcement on CBR, it looks like Dixon is done with DC.

Dixon no DC

This sucks so much. What the hell.

Now Robin and Outsiders can go back to sucking completely again. I've collected Robin since #1 so I'll cut it some slack. Outsiders better prove itself post-Dixon fast.

At least Dixon was able to restore Stephanie/Spoiler.

If anyone can make the Outsiders a good book, Tieri can. Sine they are suppose to be the down and dirty team, he's got the experience needed to pull it off.

Nobody's seem to have bitten on this book in awhile. I just read the latest. It's the 2nd time they're using Looker here. I obviously didn't follow the book before she became a vampire. How did that happen?! -And how can it be rectified?

Having Batman MIA and Batgirl take over the reigns, as Batman planned all along in the event of his disappearing, is brilliant, although I would've preferred Katana as the older, more experienced leader. My big beef with this issue is that Grace seems to have lost her Chinese features. Is this another case of "de-Asian-ating" another character? I don't follow Batgirl's story, but isn't she supposed to be Asian too? With the Japanese Tatsu, I've never seen a book with 3 Asians as part of its roster.

I loved the cover to #11. The end of the issue surprised me. I've always thought that Batman's involvement with this generation of the Outsiders was a bit of an afterthought, but here, it gains some much-needed importance.

After the Last Will and Testament special, Geo-Force's appearance here is a bit off-putting. But then, Final Crisis just doesn't seem to be occurring in much of the DCU.

I have a feeling that the general muddle that happened after the first Crisis, way back in the 1980's, is about to be repeated. Lessons unlearned. Sigh.

#16 has Metamorpho acting like Chameleon while describing how each Outsider is a projection of a part of Batman's persona.

A pretty interesting scene, though I'm not sure I'd agree with all the analogies Rex draws.

I only flipped through the book on the stand to see if it piqued my interest with Dixon on board. It didn't enough for me to buy, but I'll keep my eye on it to see what happens.

So what's the deal with this Metamorpho? Is this the real one? I remember there being two of them running around at some point.

And while Metamorpho's analogies were interesting, I would've preferred if the writer didn't feel a need to spell it all out for us. Sometimes you can let the readers excercise their brains.

And who's this Owlman? Where'd he come from?

He's detective Roy Raymond, Jr. who (apparently) walked away from a gig on TV to be Owlman.

There were two Metamorpho- Rex and a piece of himself that splintered off after one of his deaths. Shift was reabsorbed into Metamorpho sometime after Infinite Crisis. It's suppose to explain Rex's more plastic man like tendencies.

I like the new line up, and Tomasi is impressing me with his work here. The tension between Brion and Jefferson is good, as well as Katanna's new grim attitude. Halo is always confusing to me, so I'll just accept her for now.

Owlman and the Creeper? They have the most potential here.

Thanks for the explanation guys. Seems to me like Rex was the one absorbed into Shift - I don't see much of the old Metamorpho there.

I have always had a soft spot for Halo. I hope she sticks around this time.

#17-- I don't know what's up with these 'Insiders', but I'm liking this team more and more. I wish Halo'd be featured a bit-- it's been a loooonnng time since she appeared. I want to see Geo-Force lighten up a bit-- Metamorpho get serious (well, just for a little while)-- Owlman display his powers of detection-- Black Lightning act the statesman he's been in the DCU...

What do you want to see for and from these characters?

The last ish really defined the roles of each of the chosen Outsiders. I love the costume of Owlman ('natch), but time will tell whether he'll be an effective detective. I understand the need to inject a new face into this team, but is this reporter the best thing DC's got for an expert detective?

What do people think about Tatsu and Brion as an item? They've both dealt with loss, but this commonality is too much of a downer for a relationship. I would have rather seen Halo with Geo-Force.

Could someone please explain what's happened with Halo or what is her origin? I didn't get the references to her in the latest issue with all this "Auricle" stuff.

Who is this Owl Man character? When was he introduced and are we really supposed to buy him as the detective replacement for Batman?

If Johns didn't have a Lantern fetish, he could have had Rainbow Girl be a 30th Century Halo...

I'm liking this lineup-- not so much the Insiders. I really liked the page with Vandal Savage literally marching through the ages. And the Metamorpho/Halo team was a good one. Owlman begins to show his worth. Creeper is suitably off-kilter.

Assassinations on the street... immortal beings... Alfred playing tough... advance the plot a bit.

Request for the 2 Outsiders threads to be merged?

Sure...done.

This is a good mix of characters, and I'm liking everyone's time to shine. The Creeper's coming off a little too Ragdoll like right now tho'.

And the artwork is oh so good. With this and R.E.B.E.L.S. and Secret Six, DC has managed to add some great names to their stable.

Outsiders isn't knocking me out of my chair, but its not bad either. So far, pretty good, but I really kind of need some more wow factor.

I do like the line-up. Love seeing Halo again, hoping she has some more screen time. I feel like Geo-Force, Kitana and Black Lightning--all of whom I love--are in desperate need to have their stories explode into the pages. I tihnk honestly Tomasi is doing a lot of set-up work now, establishing the line-up and then hopefully will hit us with some good, dynamic stories. He's proven he's got the writing chops.

My one minor complaint is that I really loved the original character of Roy Raymond, TV Detective from the back-ups in Detective throughout the 50's. So his son as Owlman just doesn't do it for me. I also have secretly had my own idea to bring him into modern times for a few years but don't want to reveal it on the off-chance (0.01% actually) that one day I quit my job and somehow become a comic book writer and get to work on Batman .

The Creeper here works well, but like Ceej says he needs to distance himself from a potential Ragdoll comparison. He's one of DC's most original characters IMO (naturally, a Ditko creation), so I really would love it if he became a big star for the Outsiders.

Well I caught up with the last three issues. While they are not bad by any means, it just feels like something is lacking here. The comic just isn't grabbing me.

On the one hand, I think a meeting between Vandal Savage and Ra's Al Ghul is a cool idea but it just wasn't as much of a 'wow' as I expected.

The team itself seems vanilla which is too bad because I really like Metamorpho, Halo and Creeper and I actually like most of the rest.

I actually really hate Alfred's involvement in this title. His character has moved way too far away from his traditional role. Its distracting enough to limit my enjoyment.

I usually like Tomasi's style--he's good for strait up good comic book stories. But something is missing here. Not bad enough to drop the series, I just hope it gets some more momentum.

OUTSIDERS 22 contained a couple of scenes that exemplified something I love about comics. Real exploration of how superpowers work and all the subtle sorts of things a being who wielded them could do, in addition to the 'showstoppers'.

The subject in this issue was Geo-Force, though other characters like Metamorpho and Clayface also received some interesting power-examination. I never thought of Geo-Force and Metamorpho as such natural partners and now I really want to read more about them.

Really well done, I thought. I'd love for some Legionnaires to get this kind of treatment.