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Agreed, I just remember the focus on their relationship from the crossover with the Runaways, and then in the mini with the Dark Young Avengers (Young Dark Avengers? Youthful Avengers of Darkness? Whatever!).

I like it, I'm just afraid that all-chocolate all-the-time is gonna leave me hankering for some vanilla, or something, something, possibly less creepy with food/sex innuendo.

Also, as I already mentioned with Wanda, ill-defined powers that end up turning into Deus Ex Machina (or mysteriously not working when the writer doesn't want them to mess up his plot), such as Wiccan's are rapidly becoming, give me agita. Right there in issue one, we've already got Wiccan raising red flags and being considered a potential Wanda-level-threat, making the story all about how girls can't handle power (only, shockingly progressive, the traditional girl role is played by a gay dude!). I don't mind a good self-referential storyline (hero against himself), but it gets kinda masturbatory if the storylines remain too self-involved.

Plus, these 'too powerful for their own good' storylines rarely end happily for those in them, and the formulaic storyline would involve Wiccan claiming that nothing is wrong, everyone else trying to talk him down, him getting defensive, and not learning his lesson until his out of control powers end up hurting or killing Hulkling.

I'm just about past bored with that storyline, and don't need to see Billy maiming Teddy in yet another telling of it.

I dunno. I loves me some Wiccan and Hulking, so I don't mind a little extra screentime. Besides, Stature and Vision are in Mighty Avengers, so they don't need as much

I think once things get moving, you'll se everyone get a little time, but I think the focus is going to be on Wiccan and Speed, since it is their mother they're searching for.

Umm... that book's dead as of the general A-relaunch (Mighty & Dark were replaced by adjectiveless & Secret, New was relaunched and Initiative became Academy). Cassie & Jonas are only appearing in Children's Crusade.

Hmmm... I'd forgotten I hadn't seen a new issue of MIGHTY AVENGERS in my pull for awhile...

Well that sucks ass! Mighty Avengers was the only good Avengers title! Oh well...

Man, that means I won't see anymore USAgent for awhile. He was always my favorite Cap, warts and all...

You know, I don't even care that it's bi-monthly. I am loving this series so far! Billy and Teddy are too cute together, and I'm loving delving into the history of Wanda and Pietro. I coulda done without Doctor Doom getting involved, but oh well... I'm sure it will only be one issue.

And even though it's been several years now, I still cannot get over the Avengers' attitude toward Wanda. I know she did some bad things, but it's not like she just woke up one day and decided to be an evil bitch. She needed help badly, and from day one of Disassembled they have been cold blooded in regards to her. Some friends and teammates they turned out to be.

Oh, and dear god can someone please tell Marvel that Wolverine is waaaaay over used? Get him the hell out of my Young Avengers title, at least. I certainly did not need him to be front and center on the cover.

With the current treatment of Roy Harper, and seeing parallels made here, I need to pick up the Children's Crusade.

I just bought Children's Crusade #1.

Oh.

My.

GOD.

Why have I not read about this team before?!

yeahhh it's good!!

My review:

I am a loyal Teen Titans fan, but I stopped buying both titles out of protest to DC's HORRIBLE treatment towards the team, the death of Lian Harper, and that moron Deathstroke running his own team. I recently bought the House of M hardcover from the library, and reading someone's description of the Scarlet Witch's situation over and certain parallels of Roy Harper's situation, I decided to try this title.

Oh my God why I have I not been reading about this time before?! They are everything the Teen Titans should be and more. This is my first impression of the team, but I get the idea that they don't have to deal with being tortured or maimed or killed. They actually act like teenagers that aren't whiny or gigantic jerks. The relationship between Wiccan and Hulkling also adds a special touch, at least to me.

The Avengers attitude towards their comrade Wanda came off as cold to me. I'm not familiar with the status of how or why her nervous breakdown occurred, but from House of M it's obvious her friends on the team didn't lend enough support to her frail state of mind. Not to mention their attitude towards the Young Avengers was a bit condescending.

However, I enjoy the team chemistry between the Young Avengers, the art, and the fact that this will finally resolve the problem with the Scarlet Witch.

The first series was the best thing I've read out of Marvel in YEARS. The current run looks to be just as excellent.

It's the best Teen Titans book available.

Think I'll go read # 2 now...

The treatment of the Scarlet Witch was the worst part of Disassembled, to me. Although it just did not seem in character for the Scarlet Witch to murder anyone, I could go with the whole mental break due to immense emotional gried. But what was inexcusable to me was how the Avengers could turn so cold bloodedly against one of their own.

I mean, it's not like Wanda was a morally questionable character. She had served the Avengers heroically for like 30+ years. She didn't wake up bored one day and say "Oh well, guess I'll murder some teammates." But from the moment they found out she was behind the event, I can't recall one single Avenger offering an ounce of compassion or understanding. Not even supposed friends like Ms Marvel. Hell, Wolverine is far more homicidally inclined than Wanda, and he's welcomed with open arms!

I'm thrilled that the Young Avengers are looking into this. At least they legitimately seem to care about Wanda, which is more than her teammates can say.

And yeah, this is definitely the best Teen Titans book on the market. It reminds me alot of the original Wolfman/Perez era, with good stories and believable characters. Of course, as much as I am thrilled for Wiccan and Hulkling humping like bunnies, the prude in me doubts that the Avengers would go for two horny 15/16 year old boyfriends sleeping together in the same bed under their roof, but then I still haven't recovered from seeing Nightwing and Starfire in bed together in the first issue of the New Teen Titans Baxter run

Spellbinder... are you a member of the Bring Back Lian Harper movement?

Not officially, but I've never been a fan of killing children for storyline purposes. There's enough death with Titans members without resorting to killing off their families.

I just wanted to ask since hearing you describe the Scarlet Witch's dilemma and the Young Avengers made me try out the Children's Crusade.

Here's the group page if you're interested.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=373120795632&ref=mf

2 was (as expected) very good... although I think I missed a page... suddenly, Wanda and some other villagers are with Magneto and the gang?

A panel showing them arriving on the scene would have been nice prior to Quicksilver's murderous attack. For me that's a pretty huge gaffe.

Otherwise, great stuff... yeah, except for the Avengers' awful attitudes about Wanda.

Nice scenes with Patriot/Hawkeye and Vision/Stature for those wary of too much Wiccan/Hulkling too.

#2 was another solid issue. The inclusion of the last page villian to the larger storyline is welcome; that image actually looked pretty threatening!

I like that Patriot & Hawkeye got some good screen time this issue.

Glad to Pietro's inclusion. However, I have to say, seeing Speed interact with Pietro made me realize I like Speed even less than I initially thought since he's a strait-up knock-off of young Quicksilver. His lameness factor is very high in comparison to the other 6 young avengers.

This may be another instance of not paying attention to what's happening in other books though...
<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">The mystery villain's status quo</span><span class="spoiler_text">After all, not only was Doom brain-drained in FotH, but the preview for an upcoming issue of F4 suggests that's stuck...

Not to mention, if Doom's had not only Layla "I know stuff" Miller, but Wanda "reality gem" Maximoff on his side for the past while... why has his track record been so utterly crap over that time, being pounded, imprisoned, humiliated and brain-drained in Mighty Avengers, Millar's F4, Dark Avengers and FotH...</span></span>

Well, he also has an "explode stuff" power. And Pietro was really shot in the head as a viable character by the HoM/DeciMation stuff...

I am getting the unpleasant feeling that Speed (and therefore Wiccan) might not be individual souls, so much as bits ripped out of Pietro (and Wanda) and that to 'fix' the Scarlet Witch, would require the un-creation of 'the twins' as they are re-absorbed by their damaged and soul-riven 'parents.'

I can't see Hulkling reacting well to such a solution, obviously. I can also see Speed choosing to fight the process, even to the point of being willing to kill Pietro so that he can 'stay a real boy...'

It would be a pretty dark concept, and the 'solution' might end up being less pat than some magical reconciliation.

Pietro and Speed might remain split, and unbalanced, and increasingly dangerous, for instance. (And this process could be used as an 'out' to explain Pietro's even more boneheaded than normal actions of recent years.)

Billy might be willing to heal his 'mother' by giving her his essence, only to have Wanda pre-empt his decision by unravelling her own existence and reinforcing his, finally truly dying (for reals, as they say), and leaving him behind as her legacy.

Given the historical 'children's crusade,' which did not end happily for the children involved, it's a foreboding title for them to have chosen...

Young Avengers really seems to be cooking with #4, as the sheer amount of characters and things happening are just making each issue jump off the rack at me. Dr. Doom in all his glory! Magneto in all his glory! Quicksilver being the Pietro we all know and love! The Avengers! Wonder Man clearly siding with Wanda (nice, Simon!)! Wolverine being the lone douche! And the Young Avengers themselves getting good moments, even if everyone other than Wiccan and Hulkling thus far are background material.

And now—Iron Lad, who has always been my single favorite of the team. I’m glad to see him return, and though Heinberg kind of did a great job writing him out, I expect he’ll have a cool way of having him back.

It makes me wonder though: if Iron Lad sticks around, is this the first step of restoring the Vision to his former self? Will this series end with the Vision and Scarlet Witch back to normal? I can’t help but hope for that outcome.

I also am digging how every issue has a surprise / cliffhanger to it. I’ve come to expect that now as part of this series. It took me awhile, but I’m really digging YA again.
Really fascinating theory, Set! If that's the way they are taking things, I have to say, you are pretty genius.

Not sure that's something I want to see, but it is curious.

I've kind of accepted that continuity-wise, this whole thing doesn't really fit anywhere. Part of the annoyance of dealing with creators who don't give a crap about schedules.

I read # 4 a bit back and forgot to comment.

Love it.

But the Avengers can sprock off and Wolverine especially can kiss my arse.

I think so far the Avengers haven't been too overly anti-Wanda, considering she is responsible for the deaths of the Vision, Ant-Man and Jack of Hearts (though I also loathe those storyline events). The only one who is overly asshole-ish is Wolverine, which was pretty much the case in House of M.

I do like Wonder Man's blatant "I'm taking Wanda's side" stance though. If I was writing his dialogue I'd probably be unable to stop putting in lines like "kiss my ass Avengers--you guys can suck it!"

I don't now nor will I ever consider Wolverine an Avenger, so his setting himself up as Wanda's judge, jury and executioner is particularly pissing this former Avengers fan off.

Wonder Man rules. Always has.

I didn't like him until an issue after a big battle where the drama of the issue started with Wonder Man saying, "Lean on me, Wanda."

It was a long time ago, and I've liked him (and had a bigger appreciation for the Vision) ever since.