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Very interesting words from Perez. I would imagine not knowing who you could and couldn't use in a story was insanely frustrating. I rather enjoyed Perez' 6 issue stint on SUPERMAN despite all that, I enjoyed the wordiness of it. Decompressed it was NOT.

I am glad to hear he and Levitz are sympatico, I can't imagine they wouldn't be. Levitz needs an artist of Perez' calibre and talent to bring out the best in his writing.

Sounds to me like there is an awful lot of micro-managing going on at DC these days. Generally that is never a good thing (unless the person at the top is somebody like Steve Jobs...and Didilee is no Steve Jobs).

Full script approvals via committee? YUCK.

No wonder most of DC's comics suck so bad these days.

Gave Demon Knights the axe this week...just found it to have devolved into an aimless mess with little going on character-wise or plot-wise. Plus, the depiction of Vandal Savage as a lovable barbarian just feels wrong and distracting.

Also, though I wanted to give Matt Kindt more than just a one issue shot on Frankenstein, I realize I can't justify buying this when I hardly muster the enthusiasm to turn the pages. Morrison's original mini was a masterpiece. But DC hasn't been able to recapture the magic.

Disappointing to hear. Both are still in my unread pile from my enforced exile due to work and family commitments. I'll be getting to the last three months worth in the next week or so hopefully and then make up my mind (I already axed JLD after catching up there).

I'm still liking JLD myself. I've been a John Constantine fan since his creation (I'm currently re-reading the entire Moore Swamp Thing run as well as the early issues of Hellblazer), and it's interesting to see what Jeff Lemire is doing with a slightly younger incarnation of the character in the current JLD series. Plus, I really like Michael Janin's art. So few comics artists these days can do good faces.

Speaking of Swamp Thing, let me say that reading the current run after reading Moore's version is a lot like reading Marty Pasko's run after reading the original Wein/Wrightson series. It just doesn't measure up. That said, it's probably as good as or better than most of what is being published today, although it takes decompression to a depressing extreme (I can read an entire issue in about three minutes).

Sadly, one of my favorites, Resurrection Man, is being cancelled, along with some others that I probably would have dropped soon anyway (Voodoo, I'm looking at you).

In general I'm finding myself losing interest in the entire DCnU now that the inevitable crossovers are starting to happen. Having followed Marvel during the Stan Lee years I can understand the appeal of a shared universe. I just wish the DCnU was a more appealing universe.

On the other hand, I find Earth 2 to be far more intriguing place so far. Hopefully Robinson will resist the temptation to reveal too much too soon (although I would be quite happy to find out the Shade miniseries is taking place on E-2)

The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the year the only DC books I'm still getting are the Legion, Earth 2 and Worlds' Finest. We shall see.

Res man was the book I was getting. Shame.

As well, Firestorm is gettin' the heave ho after 12 if things don't change fast. Good art, but no hint of charm or fun in the book, all maiming and whining. They've made Ron a character I could get to hate. E-12 better get interesting.

New Deadwardians has been a bit slow, I think it will read better in the trades. The interesting bits are the development of Victorian England amidst a zombie apocalypse and there are some good nuggets of character development as we get some back story of the lead character and his interaction with his human surly (but loyal) driver. Also, the main character's identity as a vampire leads him to all sorts of interactions with people who want to be immortal, people that hate vampires, and ... a flirtatious relationship with a prostitute. The main character as passionless harks back to sherlock holmes and plenty of other british mystery characters.

In these regards the book is getting better and better with each issue.

Anybody remember the "this isn't your father's Oldsmobile" ad campaign? The one that centered on casting off everything that kept their old loyal customers coming back in favor of attracting more fickle new buyers?

The end result of this campaign was it ended up not being *anybody's* Oldsmobile and the entire line was terminated.

I see the DCnU as the comic book version of that campaign.

Yeah, DCnU has quickly lost pretty much all appeal to me. So much so that I've entertained the notion of dropping EVERY BIT of it a lot lately, so I can prospect into even more awesome indies! Even the ones I still like well enough(such as Batman, Swamp Thing, Animal Man, Flash, Catwoman etc.) just don't feel like MUST-READS, y'know? At no point have I EVER felt (at least since I was 11 and went X-Men crazy) like I could drop the entire DC line, but I've felt like that since the "new"-ness of the New 52 wore off a few months ago.

Part of this, I know, is that the superhero genre has slowly been losing its appeal for me over the last few years with stories of any real consequence having their effects undone after a short while. As you realize more and more that these characters are more of a brand now than they ever were before,it just seems pointless to read about them and drop a lot of dough on them. The real action is in the indies where the creators have full control of their properties and do whatever they want to with them and do ground breaking things outside of the spandex genre.

But also, with the DCnU, I miss my damn continuity and the universe I was attached to before! I can see now how hardcore pre-Crisis fans felt when all their toys were taken away. I was still a kid when that happened, and even then, I had some misgivings. But now, as an adult fan who experienced the universe as it was since I was 15 (albeit with serious flaws within it), I find that this reboot took away most of what I loved about that 26-year continuity only to tell mostly mediocre-at-best sories with that clean slate.

I'm about to trim my DC pull list again. I'll give a handful of titles a few more months. But the possibility of my dropping ALL DCnu titles completely is there and getting realer and realer every day.Even my beloved LSH (which I've collected faithfully since the mid '80 theu relaunch after relaunch) won't be spared much longer. (I already dropped Legion Lost months ago.)

I'm right there with ya...I have only read a handful of books the last several months, and they haven't been DC (outside of the Before Watchmen stuff) or Marvel, even though I still buy them.

Really considering deep sixing just about everything from DC. Maybe grabbing a few Marvel (probably just FF when Allred comes on board.)

Will make a decision soon.

I think Dial H and Swamp Thing have been consistently good, and so has the relaunched Batman Incorporated, and Supergirl.

I'm disappointed that I Zombie was cancelled and Resurrection Man is ending next month.

I still enjoy Batwoman but I'm not much happy with the direction they've put Bette Kane in. Still, it's the only other Bat book besides Batgirl I buy, and even then I've been considering dropping it.

I look forward to Sword of Sorcery with Amethyst, it's the only one of the Third Wave books that looks any good to me.

Legion of Super-Heroes has begun to pick up in my opinion, but I'm still not buying Legion Lost. And it still irks me that the team is considered a "Young Justice" line book when they. Are. Not. TEENAGERS. Well except Gates I guess.

I've been doing it again with Action Comics and Animal Man. I've been buying the issues but I haven't been reading them. I think I'm actually missing an issue of Animal Man. But re-reading Action Comics I'm sad, but not surprised, that Morrison is leaving soon.

And of course Teen Titans and Outlaws continues to be God awful with the shakey continuity, and it still PMO.

I agree the DCnU lost its shine fast and actually predict another universe altering "HEROES RETURN style" event within 5 years, probably MUCH sooner. Still though there are titles I am enjoying. STORMWATCH, AQUAMAN, EARTH 2 and WORLDS' FINEST remain a lot of fun for me. TEEN TITANS I am still enjoying well enough. As Sark said, LSH has finally begun to pick up. I am actually really liking the new spin on SHAZAM in JL.

And like a sucker I am using MARVEL NOW to taste-test Marvel again.

But I'm much quicker about swinging the DROP IT axe than I have ever been before. My former "6 issue" trials have become 1-2 issue trials.

Of course if Joe Prado's going to be living Aquaman I'll be dropping that pretty soon. I only bought it because he was on it.

However, if Nei Ruffino stops working on New Guardians I will continue to buy it. It's pretty okay by my standards.

I'm with you 100%. It's not that I'm even disgusted or angry about the DCnU...I'm just so bored and ambivalent about it. I have no attachment at all to the DC universe anymore.

There are only a small amount of series I actually love, like All-Star Western or Aquaman. (Maybe just those two, actually).

Like you said, even the one that were "good" are now becoming kind of "meh" and "okay" for me at best: Swamp Thing, Animal Man, Flash, Catwoman. They are all kind of boring now, and for a lot of the reasons you have above. Even Earth-2 is mediocre at best.

I cancelled Batwoman and am considering putting Nightwing on the chopping block next. I find Justice League to be pretty terrible, actually.

(I do actually like Teen Titans and Superboy though).

In my mind, this is the worst DC has ever been for me. It's worse than Marvel has ever been, for that matter. You can't be taken seriously when you have 45 comics that are shit. But though the words are harsh, I'm not really mustering all that much emotion about it anymore. Saying DC sucks these days is like saying water is wet.

Hey, maybe we can start calling it Earth-meh

So "Legion World" is going to become code for "let's talk about indies"? ;-)

I recently posted on another thread that I've dropped everything but the Legion books. And I don't miss the DCnU stuff at all. It's the indies and the few Marvel books that I miss.

You konw, for me, over the last 25 years or so, its when the Legion "feels" like an indie book (TMK, DnA's run) that I've been excited by it the most.

Agree with that, re: the Legion. And the state of the DCnU just saddens me, it seemed to start out with such promise and now most of the books are just flat. I'm much more interested in what Image is coming out with at this point.

Honestly for me, it's the desire to spend what little entertainment income I have on things like movies and other things.

Finding things I can share with my kids is also a big priority...comics of today are just not really cutting it. Sure there are a few here and there...but overall, meh.

I decided to pick up Blue Beetle today.

Any superhero with a soft spot for his grandmother is okay by me.

Picked up the latest Batwoman because it was actually drawn by JH Williams ... tricky DC covers say his name on them but ... its the co creator or co writer credit he gets.

Anyway, got it, could jump right in because ... well ... it seems like nothing has happened since the last issue I bought. (issue 5! The last to drawn by Williams I think) Im not sure the art (even by Williams) is enough for me to pick up this book that moves at a glacial pace.


in other news: Phantom Girl and Doll Man was pretty good despite the interior art being a bit sub par.

Decided to pass on Looker ... flipped through it and got the gist at the comic store, the art is pretty good if bland in that it looks like so much else out there ... also it seems as if ... Looker is just a plain old vampire. fashion model vampire. no psychic powers besides the ones that come with being a vampire and no outsider super heroing past. great cover but she's just another vampire in a vampire saturated world.

I also caught up on Flash because they are culminating the Rogue's saga ... passed on the Annual that was out this week ... because despite how i've been catching up on the Flash ... I wasn't interested in picking up a story that wasn't drawn by Frances Manapaul.

That's really the only reason to get this book. The story just runs on and on in an uber serialization ... nearly every issue ends on a cliff hanger. which isn't hard with so few pages ... and some of the splash ... which to be fair, F.M. does a good job with but its still not as much story as panels.

while F.M. is good enough to make me miss carmine infantino ... I tried it but it just dosn't have enough hook for me.

"0" issues for Demon Knights and Frankenstein were both horribly disappointing. Neither character's "origin" was very compelling, and actually detracted form both I would say.

Why would you need to redo Frankenstein's origin anyway, and dismiss the novel in its entirety? That's one of the more compelling parts of the character! And if you're goign to throw all of that out, why do so in favour of such a lacklustre story. They could easily have done this issue showing Frank after the events of the novel, or getting recruited by S.H.A.D.E.

Demon Knights was equally as bad, giving a pretty unremarkable backstory to Etrigan and Jason before their joining. Other than the recurring inside joke that Cornell is horrible at writing verse, this did nothing to add to the mythos of either character and was a step back.