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This is purely speculation on my part, but I thought I'd throw it out there:

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">IC#3 cuts from Animal Man borrowing the powers of an animal that "shoots lightning from its face" to a shot of Wally West's baby twins. Could his children possibly be Garth and Ayla? I kinda doubt it, but still...</span></span>

I don't think so RL. maybe more of a homage to the lighting beasts that give them there powers...

Okay, I'm not saying I condone rampant filesharing of whatever comes into your head... but I will say a huge thankyou to a super-special Legion Worlder for arranging... something. (Look away, DC Execs! Or at least believe me when I say I'll still be picking up the issue when it finally arrives in non-digital format... )
Comments to follow once I investigate that spiffy Click Here For A Spoiler tag...
Thanks so much to They-Know-Who!

PS I agree with Scott when he says that the story seemed to suffer a lack of self-containment. (They obviously need to put Geoff Johns in a Wildfire suit. He can still wear a beret if he wants.)

I hope there's some sort of reset or something ahead. A DCU without Atlantis or Themyscira is much more boring than with them. Though their destruction/migration would explain the lack of those city-states in the 30th/31st century...

I'd prefer their fate remain a mystery to us Legion readers, since I want to read stories using those two fictional settings in 'current' DCU titles.

Ditto x 1000.

Well, after all my thoughts about how this was a series pandering to Pre-Crisis fans and that I really didn't care for a lot of what was going on, then I got to the end.

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">I love Superboy-Prime as a vicious little SOB. I love the way that the Earth-2 SuperGrampa is being manipulated somehow. I love the way that it seems that 'our' Earth will be redeemed as being not so bad as at least we think a bit. After all, "Evil will always triumph over Good, because Good is Dumb." Or they'll just bring the bloody Multiverse back. Whatever. I barely read core DCU titles these days anyway...

Edited to change SuperDoofus to SuperGrampa, which I think far more apt... </span></span>

Well, things are interesting enough but there is one thing I just cannot suspend disbelief enough to accept:


WHY are Mal and Karen (Herald & Bumblebee) with Donna Troy's crew in space? I *love* these guys, but come ON-- it's ludicrous they would be picked for this mission, whatever it is. Their only action in the past 5-plus YEARS has been in the recent Dr. Light battle in TT and the JLA/Titans mini.

This had BETTER be a springboard to bigger and better things for them, and NOT (as I fear) a lame-ass way to off them.

I fear you are correct Lasher. I think this will be the end of those two.

On the subject of forgotten heroes: Have Flamebird and Golden Eagle been nominated to "kick the bucket", also?

There had better be light at the end of the tunnel with this series.

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">I will be more than a little annoyed if Alexander Luthor and Superboy end up as whackos. Alex was my favorite new character in the original Crisis, and I would hate to see him as this "evil" mastermind.</span></span>

I agree. One of the things I liked about the original Crisis was

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">the simple way they used the fact that a good Luthor existed out there to show how different, strange and wonderful the multiverse could be. I liked the fact that, on one world, in one set of circumstances, a Luthor did not have to be evil. Now apparently using the one good Luthor (that we know about) as the evil mastermind I hope this is just a red herring </span></span>

Ah but isn't <span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">golden evil Luthor Boy the son of the 'good' Luthor? I don't think the "At least one good Luthor somewhere" hypothesis is broken by the actions of that naughty little boy in Infinite Crisis...</span></span> but please someone correct me if I'm wrong...

You are correct, Wayne. However, DC has overdone the "good guys gone bad" thing in the last few years. Sure, it was a surprise (to me at least), but I'm sure that they could have found another angle to use.

Taken care of.

I know others aren't feeling the same, but I'm enthralled by this series.

I do think, however, that there is much more going on than it seems. I think the Anti-Monitor somehow (through anti-matter energy and the way the first Crisis ended with him passing through Alex as Alex transported them out)has taken control of Alexander Luthor.

Also, I'm pretty sure the others are correct in that each of the captured heroes is from another Earth. What the anti-matter bomb is going to do is 're-create' the multiple earths. The reasoning: it was because the multiple earths existed in the first place that the anti-matter was able to destroy the positive matter--each earth was weaker than it should have been and thus more susceptible to the anti-matter entropy. Thus, by recreating the multiple earths, the Anti-Monitor could re-weaken the earths and make them easy to destroy again. As you can see, I'm just not convinced its Alex and Superboy behind this.

Of course, this makes me glad that E2 Superman is not the villain here, but is secretly being betrayed by Alex and Superboy (not from Earth-2) or the Anti-Monitor. I feel he'll have a shining moment before this is through and not be shown as some sap.

I wish more heroes were featured though!

I'm enjoying too. I'm concerned how easily Ka-L was duped though. Remember the Anti-Monitor was able to possess Harbinger in the original Crisis, I'm thinking that's the case again here.

I'm interested to see what the Crisis Secret Files is going to show. I'm hoping it will reveal that all the bad plot ideas of the last 20 years were caused by the manipulations of Alex not some hack writer working for DC Comics on Earth Prime.

Remember that Parallax wanted to create a Multiverse during Zero Hour? Who gave him that bright idea.

That's right all the sins writers have committed against your childhood heroes in the grim and gritty post-crisis era will probably be packed on the Anti-Monitor's back.

Thus following Alan Moore and Legion World's own LMB and creating the most dastardly of all villains: the ones responsible for the grim and gritty 90's

Also, Dan Didio said there are probably more "Holy SHIT!" moments in this series than any other he can say off-hand, so I'm expecting at least one or two more in #4, and the same for #5-7. I'm not ready to believe there isn't some outside influence on Alex and Superboy yet.

Also, its interesting to remember that technically Superboy of Earth Prime is much, much, stronger than Superman of Earth-2 or post Crisis Superman.

Cobie,

I'm with you on the whole more going on thing....as a matter of fact my thoughts are very similiar to yours on the matter.

And remember, with each world destroyed the AM grew stronger....

Jamie

I'm curious how the existence of the Anti-Matter Earth fits into all of this. It didn't exist pre-Crisis, and seems to be roughly modelled on the postive matter "Earth-3".

And Hypertime of course. It might not relate at all, but it could have some kind of bearing. It'd be the obvious link to getting the Multiverse back after all.

So based on his efforts to bring back the multiverse, doesn't that make Alexander Luthor the Anti-Crisist?



"Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the veal!"

Barry Allen....

Jamie

I just had an idea for what DC should do / might be doing with IC.

The problem with COIE was that it got rid of a lot of continuity and history that people loved. But bringing all that stuff back won't solve the problems that COIE was meant to solve - i.e., the multiverse was filling up and getting too complicated.

So here's what they could do. Bring back the multiverse, but make it impossible to travel from one Earth to another. That way, if you want to tell an All-Star Squadron story, or a Superboy-and-the-Legion story, you do so, and it exists in its proper world, and doesn't affect whatever DC's current continuity Earth at all, in which Superman arrived on Earth in 1982 or whatever it is.

Bump for Issue 4 (and this weeks tie ins)....not a good time for a vacation in Bludhaven, nor is it a good day to be a Titan or a teen hero in general.

There are major spoilers within....you are warned.

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">The SSSV airdrops Chemo right into the heart of Bludhaven

MANY Titans die....horribly

Barry Allen

The Spectre finds a new host in Gotham...

Booster finds Beetle

Cassandra Cain finds Stephanie...

Firestorm gains a new partner.

NO MORE SPEED FORCE!

I will say that between IC and the current Nightwing book, I fear for Dick's future.

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I am really starting to abhor the gratuitous violence in this series but there are definitely some Oh @!#$% moments in this issue. I can't wait to talk about this with you guys.