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I concur about Thor's hair. Rarely do I like long hair on men, but it just worked for him. For that alone, Loki needs his butt kicked.

Mythologically-speaking, Thor's strength is greatly enhanced by his belt of strength. Presumably it requires extraordinary strength to wield the hammer.

Ah! Thanks for the tip, Ferro!

My boy Ultimate Thor put down! And Ultimate Cap didn't even get his faced mashed into little bits!

Lash, you know, I'm not sure if I've ever seen Ultimate Wanda ever use her powers on panel before. Also, knowing Millar's writing, I bet he keeps intentionally adding things to the stories that would suggest there is more to Pietro and her relationship than meets the eye, just to play with the fans.

Ultimate Natasha is a bit of a cuntessa. I have a feeling (I hope actually) that she's the traitor here. What's Tony see in her?

I think Iron Man and Thor are my favorites of this book by far. Todd, you actually summed it up perfectly for this comic--incredily well put together, but hard to really like anyone in it.

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Ugh- the depiction of THE DEFENDERS was as awful as I thought it'd be... Sorry ULTIMATES fans, but I just despised this issue.

I could just imagine the *real* VALKYRIE swatting little miss Thorette on her, like, bare tushie with the broad side of Dragonfang... telling her to get her something to drink and cover up while she's at it.

I'll check back in with this title in trades, as by then, THE DEFENDERS will be a barely-remembered 'joke' for all the hipper-than-thou fans out there to giggle over (except they don't *giggle*, do they? Or even chuckle. No, the most they can manage is a 'unh'.)

The characters that matter are still sort of interesting-- and I'll be curious about them. But I ain't shelling out $$ for this. Not when I can wait and read the trade in the comfort of the back room at the bookstore I work at for free.

- These Defenders are obviously more of a break from their regular counterparts. If you're a fan of these characters, I can understand not liking this "reimagining" but still, it's not "really" them.
- I wish we could've seen more of "Power Man" and Son of Satan." I guess they probably don't have real powers either, but I hope there are a couple of good characters here rather than the entire team being a joke.
- I see this version of the Defenders, not as a comment on the characters themselves, but the concept of what the Defenders were - a kind of "loser" superteam (before the JLI) - and that's what we got. Who knows? Maybe Pym will help them out and make them a decent team (or maybe his Ultrons will kill them all...)
- Even guys at comic book conventions have better costumes than these guys (and why are most of them half naked?).

Best line of the book:
Quicksilver to Scarlet Witch, "Wanda, were you just flirting with that machine?! (The Vision II)"

I enjoyed the issue and the full-page newspaper shot of Pym had me laughing hysterically.

I too am a big fan of the eccentric 70s DEFENDERS issues, and Hellcat was probably my first favorite super-heroine.

Yes, I was a little disappointed by their treatment here, but I can't shake the feeling we haven't seen the last of them. I think they'll be back and be more badass.

dwelling on the Ultimate Defenders after a re-read...

The Marvel universe-proper Defenders....

Nighthawk: had a jetpack that allowed him to fly

Hellcat: had a gadgety costume that enhanced her natural atheleticism

With Pym's smarts & tech, the Ultimate versions of these characters could easily be enhanced.

Valkyrie's a different, more complicated matter... the Ultimate version DID show bravery when she confronted the punks and saved Nighthawk from being torched. We just need to give her some serious training in martial arts and swordplay.

Strap an exo-skeleton on Power Man's hot bod and have Son of Satan work up some spells or something, and you might have a team to reckon with.

Pym has the tech to get the ball rolling here. It would be stupid to intro an Ultimate Defenders just to have them be a 1-issue joke. Here's hoping Millar is planning to do someting with them OTHER than have them be cannon fodder for Ulti-Ultron.

The one thing that has me wondering is the statement that one of the Ultimates will 'face a horrifying change' (or somethng like that) soon.

My guess is that the Wasp will become MORE wasp-like with antennae, extra legs, and stinger, like she did waaaay back in Marvel Feature ca. 1972
Anyone else have an opinion/guess?

Now who could the traitor be? I don't think it's Cap simply because he doesn't seem to like Pym and wouldn't be palling around with him. Could it be Stark? Maybe having him drink coffee is meant to be ironic because he's usually drinking alcohol when he's with the Ultimates. It's less likely to be one of the peripheral characters because of Pym's "it kinda makes sense" statement (since we don't know much about the others). I dunno ... Quicksilver? The skin seemed too light to be Fury....

I dunno, but I'm tired of these Ultimates vs. their own members stories. Let's switch it UP, peeps!

I had the same feeling about Hank as far as making the Defends a real team. The only difference is that I would have Hank come up with an imperfect means of grant superhuman strength. I say 'imperfect' so that an explanation exists as to why only certain members (Valkyrie and Power Man) get the powers.

I do like the idea of Son of Satan getting magical powers since magic is almost absent from the UU.

I think it's Tony Stark. I don't understand the motivation, but I still think it's him. It sure dashed my hopes that it was Natasha. I don't see any real motivation for Quicksilver unless he's still anti-human.

Actially I think the Black Widow is TOO obvious a choice. Also, we know it's not Hank Pym or Captain America. Wasp is pretty much out of running as well.
That leaves several unaccounted for.
I believe I'll choose Hawkeye. In his regular Marvel universe, he always was the type to go against the crowd and stand up for what he believed in, much as this character is doing.

The gloves could work for Hawkeye but I don't see why the Wasp or Cap are necessarily out of the question. One of my leading choices had been Fury until I saw part of the traitor's hand.

Finally read this one too, and some thoughts on the traitor:

I hope it is Tony. And I will most definately be rooting for him. I hope it's Tony and Thor and Hank join him, and then I can have my own Ultimates that I like, and to hell with the rest

i hope it's tony too. and i'm still waiting for the valkyrie to chop somebody in half.

I think the horrifying change is more Ultimates vs. Ultimates. Believe Cap and Iron Man are going to join Thor. While Fury is going to control the rest of the group.

after the latest issue i think the traitor is...

captain A-hole

or fury. it's a man's hand holding the guns in the panels. and "soldier" being used. leeds me to suspect these two.

hmmm maybe it' loki going around shooting people but that is a wolf not quite in the fold.

Is there a heartbroken graemlin??? I want one for this thread...

...I'm serious. I'm effing heartbroken over the whole thing. I mean they akjdl;ajhdklakdjsakgjdfak his family and Jan's a jdkaljdlka idiot and Hank's a right ajkeljdajsk. jakldhaf;lkdjfklahakljdflk;ahj GAH!!!!!!!! ><

*cries*

It's a good thing for Hawkeye fans that he was just brought back in "House of M"...

*hysterical sobbing*

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WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speaking of Ultimate Defenders? Ya know I am glad they made them a joke. Why? Cause when Larsen and Busiek launched them years ago...they were a joke. I was expecting a cool dark Grant Morrisson type series...cause honestly the Defenders lend themselves to that...i think they've all gone to hell or were born in hell at some point.

But they became a joke. Know Giffen and crew are continuing the joke...but atleast they are good at it.

Ultimate Defenders were kinda cool. I mean...i was ready to bang Ultimate Valkyrie myself. Go Pym! lol

I know the Ultimate Universe is supposed to be darker and grittier, but good lord that last issue was a little extreme. Did we really need to see Hawkeye getting covered in blood as his son is murdered in front of him? I tell ya, if it wasn't for the art, I really don't know if I would still be buying this.

Didn't it look like Hawkeye was about to get killed, too? If he survives, maybe this will serve as some sort of motivating factor to become truly heroic.

i say kill em all !!!!


except the hottie thor.