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He writes fun, and that's what always made Dick different than Bruce. His enjoyment of running around in the suit played off his moral code well, making him a more entertaining character.

And Fabe writes fun.


And that issue came out this week 11/15, part of the Ra's ressurection story.

Tomasi's first issue is out, has been a few weeks now. Anyone care to comment?

It was a fine first issue, catching everyone up on Dick's status (even playing around with the Richard/Dick thing.)

The art was great- Rags and Bair can do no wrong.

I liked it a lot.

I've been burned on this title too mnay times to call it The Second Coming, but their run is off to a good start.

I've been afraid to read it, so its sitting on my nightstand. Is it safe to read Nightwing again? Like Miner says, I've been burned more than a few times by the title.

Rag's art is always a plesure though, I didn't realize he was the artist. Maybe I'll read tonight.

Well Rags is a great artist, but we have Don Kramer filling in this issue. And I still get annoyed when folks draw Dick's gloves like forearmbands...

Robin and Nightwing team up to stop the still unknown graverobber/mad scientist. Sure, we got a name this issue, but it wasn't one I recognized. And neither did Robin.

Generic bad guy, unsatisfying resolution, good interplay between the two heroes. Tomasi seems to want to relate Dick to the DCU. And that's fine, but he doesn't do much to create excitment or energy in the book.


That seems to be my problem with this book since Dixon left. Everyone wants to define Dick. I know who he is- the former Boy Wonder. Let's see him doing amazing acrobatics, give him some wild adventures. Sure, it's fun seeing him play off others, but not at the expense of the action.

I'm with you Ceej. That's what I'm looking for too here.

Seeing Dixon suddenly make Robin extremely enjoyable again makes me hope he (or someone) could do the same with Dick.

I'm enjoying Nightwing for the moment. I don't usually grab it, but I really miss KGBeast, and these ARE technically appearances, so...

I picked up Nightwing for the first time a couple of months ago and enjoyed it enough to put it on the pull list for a few months. When I starting using this picture as my Legion World avatar three years ago, I didn't even know who it was.

So how about that face off with Talia? That was my favourite moment in Tomasi's run.

Picked up the first Nightwing issue in a long time since it's been getting good reviews ... the character himself was good, what was seen of him, but that whole birth thing was weird. (It sort of reminded me of Stealth's gruesome birth scenes in L.E.G.I.O.N..) The aging thing was interesting, like real-life clones. Don't know that I'd get Nightwing again, though, except for the issues that are part of Batman R.I.P..

FC- there's a lot of reviewers enjoying Tomasi's run. It's reviving the book from the doldrum slumps of post-Dixon writers. But I'm with you, while a good book, I'm just not getting the Dick/Nightwing I want.

well, letting this be the swansong for the book i guess.

Tomasi and Kramer have been doing some knockout stuff, but i guess Didio finally gets his wish and does away with Dick Grayson as Nightwing.

So far, extremely underwhelmed by what he has put together for DC. Even the surefire success' like GL seem to be in spite of him and not because of him.

Just don't like what he has done to DC.

I'm curious to see how Red Robin pans out. Didio's motivation for this devolution escapes me; I didn't think the name was so well received either in Kingdom Come or Countdown.

The Red Robin name sucks and concept sucks. Don't like the costume. Why change Nightwing? Or Batman for that matter?

Batman, Nightwing and Robin are all perfect as they have been for the last 15 years.

*points out the horrid post-Infinite Crisis Robin costume...*

Its not *terrible* but its a pretty pointless change. Its definitely not as good as the costume he had before, and losing the green coloring in the costume kind of takes something from it.

Pretty cool action sequences in the most recent NIGHTWING, with the characters fighting in a fleet of blimps/airships.

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The threat was that of acid being dropped or spilled on the populace of NY. Wouldn't the resolution-- crashing all the ships in the water-- be just as hazardous, since they were carrying the acid?

Otherwise, entertaining with some very nice art, I thought.

I like the addition of the hang-glider (oops, it blew up). But it's all for naught, apparently.

I really, really dislike the prospect of Dick Grayson becoming Batman. It's not what the character would want... and I don't think it's what Bruce Wayne would want for his son (remember, he's been officially adopted), either.

The only thing worse is Red Robin. Yech. The costume reminds me too much of Dr. Mid-nite (on him, it looks good).

Devin Grayson and Judd Winick have really twisted Richard Grayson unmercifully. He keeps untwisting under other writers, but the powers that be apparently dislike the character.

A pity.

Beware my spoilers for 151, kiddies.

Tomasi is definately wrapping things up starting here.

Nightwing is seeming a lot more like Bruce when he visits Arkham. Definately pissed Two-face off. The Batman-ization starts here, folks.

Goodbye Deb, we hardly knew ye!

The jump! This is the kid daredevil we all remember from when Nightwing was Robin. It worked.

But the last few scenes...just reminded us why Dick is Nightwing and not Batman. The guys are brothers, not father and adopted son, or mentor and ward.

If, and i say if because i have no faith in the "longterm fiction" that Didio states DC is trying to form, Dick returns as Nightwing, for God's sake have Tomasi as the writer. Simply put, he has done more for the character in its own book in a year that anyone else did in the last fifteen. And i include Dixon in that. That says a lot.

Seems like some posts may have been lost on this thread.

Anyway, the move to make Dick Batman seems to be gaining steam. He takes down Harvey, and this issue he faces off against Ras' like the original meeting of Bats and Ras', in the desert with swords. I wont say more as to how it played out, but this move seems to be solidifying things.

We wanted a less wimpy Nightwing, and now we seem to be getting Batman Redux. Shame, really, since what we wanted was a more respected Nightwing.

I locked the thread in case we lost something, but my back up is the same as what's here.

So carry on...

Thanks. It may have been mine. When i went to post on it for the new issue the last entry was several months old.

You are a true class act, my friend. I...am just short of being a ludite.

rick, I don't mind seeing Nightwing step up ala' Batman. He was raised by the man afterall. I think his humour and relatable is what makes him different than Bruce, and that will surely come into play when he dons the suit.

The recent face-off with Ra's shows he's up to the task. The more I see it coming, the more I don't mind Dick taking up the mantle.

Anyone remember how awesome Nightwing was for like almost 100 issues before Devin Grayson came on? Think back, and remember. Remember how pumped you'd get when you picked up an issue for like almost a decade?

Too bad the last 5+ years have been so downbeat. And now the title is coming to an end for a marketing stunt.

What a dissapointment.

Cobie, you're a fan of the new Cap A. I know this because after hearing your praise, I've been picking up the last few issues. Bru transitioned from Bucky to Cap effectively, and everyone thought it was temporary. Gotta say, I don't see that change being undone. Maybe it's time for Dick to take over; time for him to be the great character he is.

Well, if done brillantly, it could be good. But I'm 100% confident that Bruce Wayne will be Batman in the future. He'll be Batman after Didio is dead, I'm dead, we're all dead. If any superhero is 'safe' from being put on the shelf, its Batman.

And that knowledge hurts my ability to enjoy such a change. Unless its done brillantly--and then I'll hold back my complaints and enjoy. But already the bar is raised higher than any other normal story.

The best way to go then is to develop Dick more and more on his own standalone personna which has been done at various times in his career. I feel like Dick once more becoming Batman temporarily would be a step backward.

And I actually liked "Prodigal", the brief period in which Dick was Batman. It was a period of great growth for Dick, Tim and even Commissioner Gordon. So reverting Dick to Batman again is a 'been there, done that' scenario, unless its permanent which I can't really seriously think will happen.

But hey, if its done REALLY, REALLY well, then sure, I'm on board . But now they have an uphill battle rather than a level playing field.