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This issue actually made me feel a little better about all the idiocy that's been going on in this title for months. At least there's an explanation for what Dick was trying to do. (Not that I would disagree with OM, it wasn't likely to work )

Now, has anyoe seen the solicit for the April (?) issue?

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">It's OYL and there are now two Nightwings! Looks like one is Dick and the other is Jason.</span></span>

I think Dick getting doused with Chemo's mess is going to end up giving him powers.. as aluded to in Wizard magazine.

That would ruin Dick Grayson for me, IMO.

Jamie

I'd rather he not get powers, either. The character doesn't need them.

I order everyone here to rush out to their CBS and look at the last page of the current Nightwing....

WOW!

Jamie

Wonder if that was purely Devin or not. At any rate, very nice. I hope it sticks somehow.

Well, the story wrapped up quite nicely and by God it had better stick!

Jamie

So, for those of us who are unable to follow Stratum's advice on reading the last page....what happened?

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Dick asks Babs to marry him... </span></span>

Sorry, AFB, I normally don't mind spoiling but this one was one you had to see for yourself, IMO.

Jamie

I read that a few weeks ago. But what was the answer?

<span class="spoiler_containter"><span class="spoiler_wording">Click Here For A Spoiler</span><span class="spoiler_text">Nothing verbal. They kissed in the last panel, and Babs was wearing the ring</span></span>

*gulp!*

Sorry, Jamie! You're trying not to spoil it and I'm blabbing left and right...

But spoilers don't do the scene justice... people should at least take a look at it if they're not buying it til DG's gone (like me ).

Pov,

No worries. I just wanted everyone to know why I didn't spoil it. In light of all the bloodshed in comics right now, that cliffhanger surprised me more than any other in a long time.

And you're right. It's something that when you read it, you don't quite believe it's happening. And one should see it for him/her self.

Jamie

The end did come out of left field, didn't it?

But so did a turn for Rose Wilson... maybe even for Dick, himself. Though that turn is one fans have been waiting for for SOOOOO long now.

WHOOO HOOO!

I danced a jig at that sight. There was a similar scene a few years ago, and I had the same tingly feeling as then.

Say what you will about Grayson's run (I defend this gal a lot) she wrote a hell of a last issue. I'm sure editorial gave her some end points, but she pulled them all off very well.

We're two issues in to OYL, with a new creative team.

I wasn't too excited with the first OYL ish. There was little story. We got introduced to two Nightwings, and two costumes. The original outfit on the new Nightwing seemed wrong, and the new outfit was a sad derivative. Everyone ranted about Devin writing Dick out of character, but Jones didn't do any better. And Dick's life seemed more out of focus than before.

The new issue was a big change. Lots of action, tho' I don't think the artist drew with the kind of energy McDaniel or Hester have. I'm not liking Jones' interpreation of Dick, but I'm willing to see where he's going.

Pretty much in agreement, CJ. I'm a little put-out that Jones has Dick in bed with the redhead of the week-- who is he now, Wolverine?! It shows a gross misunderstanding of Dick and Babs' relationship. I wasn't expecting much to come of Devin's little "Easter egg" at the end of her final issue, but this was a poorly executed way of writing it off.

As someone who was terminably bored 5 issues into Jones' Hulk run, I'm happy with the action we're seeing. Jason's a good foil for Dick. I'd like to see him as a permanent adversary-- with his OWN identity.

We've had worse art on NIGHTWING. If the stories hold my interest, I'm willing to let this team develop their own style for the book.

Major sticking point storywise-- Dick, behind on the rent? Needing a job?? Shyeah, right. :rolleyes: Although, the job he ended up with...

Isn't Dick also appearing in one of the bat titles for awhile? I need to know, since neither NIGHTWING or OUTSIDERS are featuring a Dick Grayson that I recognize.

I liked seeing Clancy again... the blond twins are vaguely interesting... I kind of like Jason Todd as a villainish anti-hero (is that how we're supposed to see him? Or is he out-and-out villain, in your opinion), but for the love of comics, give them distinctive costumes. I don't care if they squabble over the name for awhile, but they shouldn't look like twins.

Lookalikes-- Dick and Jason, the blond gangster twins, Cheyenne or Cayenne or whatever her name is and Barbara... just hit us over the head, why don't you?

Can Two-Face be far behind?

3rd OYL issue for Nightwing out today, and it's the big disappointment for me. This is worse than what you folks had complained about with Devin's writing.

Out of character, irresponsible, this isn't Dick G. There's bit of dual exposition that's done nicely, but the set up around it is all wrong. The only good thing in the story is it looks like the dual NW thing is getting dealt with failry soon. (Maybe.)

Only 3 issues in, and we got a fill in artist already. Diaz did a good job, I liked his work. But it didn't fit with the established art, and certainly felt out of place.

Why not just cancel the title, DC? You dn't need to drive it into the ground first.

This is a train wreck. Ugh. Much worse than anything Devin Grayson could dream up. And the art, not so hot.

I agree with Mystery Lad about not recognizing Dick Grayson, and about too many look alike characters.

Yikes, this is the most disappointing of all OYL titles for me.

I disagree that it's worse then anything Devin has dreamed up. Jones, for example, has not had Dick raped at the hands of a Mary Sue character after completely failing in his mission to stop the book's main bad guy.

Is the book any good currently? Not really. But it isn't that good largely because Jones has picked up Nightwing from where Devin left it, instead of using Infinite Crisis and OYL as a basis to expand on the character.

Nightwing = the worst comic being produced by DC. I'd say Marvel too, but I'm not dumb enough to buy all those crappy X-spinoff titles

I have issue #3 OYL in front of me right now...but I just can't bring myself to open it yet. I fear the inside content. I fear it.

(Devin Grayson's run, however, like OM says, is still hands down the worst run on traditionally great title since, jeez, ever?)

I say have Gail write the book. She gets the Bat family so much better than the others on these books.

What I would like to see OYL, is Bruce giving Dick a serious dressing down and bring the guy back to his real roots and play off his strengths. If you want a second-rate Batman, bring Azrael back.

Jamie

Gail's a possibility.

Geoff Johns has on more than one occasion (most recently at Bristol) expressed a desire to write the character.

Fabian Niceza seems to like Nightwing a lot too, and is having him guest-star in a Superman arc he's doing with Kurt Busiek.

I can't remember where, but I think Allan Heinberg also said he was a fan.

There are plenty of candidates.