Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Do you guys think Ayla was right about The Acident?

I mean the episode on that asteroid.

Timber Wolf is merely comforting a hang-dog Saturn Girl, as Ayla comes in, and sees them.

Ayla breaks into tears.

Later, she starts to snub Brin, resulting into giving him an ultimatum: leave the legion with me, or lose me forever.

Brin choose the Legion, so when Ayla comes back, she wants nothing to do with him anymore.

What's your take? Is Ayla a faithful companion, who was wronged, therefore taking the consequences? Or was she just some dumb, petty "I'm the girl, so you'll do as I TELL you to or I'll end our relationsship"-chick?

Was Ayla in the right from the start on, as far as breaking up with Brin, and not wanting to renew anything goes? Or was she just being too petty and hysterical?

Or did she react totally exaggerated to that episode initially, but later developments actually proved her right after all?

I think she was a teenager who saw her boyfriend hugging a her husbands wife....she reacted accordingly.

I don't think there's any right or wrong about it. Different people react different ways to these sorts of situations. I think it showed us that Ayla was really insecure during that period.

Jamie

I would say it was a little of both. Character-wise, I would also say it was an attempt to assert herself.

But mostly I feel it was an attempt to break up the static relationships that existed since the Adventure era.

Most definitely, Quis, most definitely.

Jamie

Well, I think she was being a little bitch. He's better off without her. (Of course, I may be slightly biased...)

Well, I think it should also be factored in that between the asteroid incident and the breakup the Great Darkness went down and was a big part of what made Ayla quit. I think one of the things that distinguished the GD from Earthwar or the Omega arc was that it had a lingering effect on some of the characters. For Ayla (with her underwhelming Light Lass powers) the GD may have been a wakeup call that the stakes the Legion were playing for had increased so drastically that it really precluded her little scenario of domestic bliss that she'd constructed with Brin. The GD may have made the asteroid incident seem insignificant by comparison, showing her how childish her overreaction really was. Ayla, who had comforting Winath to retreat to, saw leaving as a much more feasible option than Brin, who really had no place else to go. In essence Ayla set Brin a nearly impossible choice: your surrogate family or your girlfriend.

I also see it as irrational decisions young people make about love. IMO she started maturing after this during Levitz run.

Levitz brought her back with lightning powers and confidence...while Brin still seemed a bit immature. I love her with lightning powers because of this. She doesn't have yet another "female passive legionnaire power".

Brin later also showed much more maturity when he finally moved on and started dating Marella Tao. (was that her name?) And later became deputy leader. I wish the series would've continued. Brin dating Marella and being d-leader would have been lots of fun.

There was no reason to break them up in the first place.

There used to be a rule "Never change something, unless the change is an improvement from the old status quo. Never change merely for the sake of change."

When Comics lost that rule, they also began to lose their quality.

More likely Ayla is better off without that particular version of Brin...


Why do you hate her like that, anyway, Arachne? It's not because of that awfull hairdo she wore in the Sixties, is it?

Hmmmm...

Never looked at it that way. All I allways read into that particular sequence was that Ayla was at this point clearly more instable. She was in tears, couldn't deal with it, whereas Brin was "Gee, I love you Ayla, but my pals are more important. You gotta understand..."

However, as you just pointed out, Brin's had problems to deal with of his own.

I think it was an improvement. Having every single Legionnaire dating the same person for years and years is simply not realistic. Breaking up Vi/Duplicate Boy, Star Boy/Dream Girl, and Ayla/Brin added depth and maturity to everyone involved.

Obviously you meant "brother's wife", but I don't think the Legionnaires were still being portrayed as teenagers by this point. That awful story with the brainwashing of Superboy that stated they were all in their twenties took place long before this.

Quite true Jim. After all they were not the "Teen Legion".

Still I think Ayla was way off on this one.

Maybe she was just looking for a reason.

Don't they all??

LLater!

There used to be a rule "Never change something, unless the change is an improvement from the old status quo. Never change merely for the sake of change."

When Comics lost that rule, they also began to lose their quality.

Actually, if you go farther, there used to be no rules against changing anything. That's how we ended up with Kryptonite Rainbow-flavored, and the Brotherhood of Green Archers. That's how we ended up with Green/Red/Indigo/Rainbow with Polka dots Kryptonite, and Earth however many you pleases.
There needs to be a happy medium between continuity nazis and "Let the Buyer Beware" storytelling.

Well, that didn't help.

Actually, it's what Matlock was saying. She gave Brin and impossible choice, and then acted like the breakup was all his fault. Also, it doesn't help that my least favourite legionnaire managed to get invloved with both my faves.

Don't take me too seriously about this this, though. I mainly just enjoy hating her.

Ah, but what is "urealistic" to stick with the person you like best, even *without* mariage?

You... You can't be serious about this!!

Certainly. But there's a reason between mindless change ("Change for Change's sake")and changes decided and made with responsible motives and results("changes wich improve things").

Furthermore, those K-types, the many earths, etc, were additions: they didn't change anything, and resulted in a richer canvas.

Notice how none of these additions tend to undermine the source concept. Neither does it make Supes look like some windbag who thinks his pals are so much more important then the girl who sacrified everything for him, for YEARS, and suddenly, the ONE TIME she's the one who's in dire need of support, he goes: "Awww, c'mon, Ayla! I want to stick with my pals."

And neither did any of the additions to the Superman Myth end up having Supes look downright HYSTERICAL, and leaving the JLA in a traumaticed state after coming to some asteroid and finding lois seemingly hugging the Batman.

AHA. No I see... *SNICKER*


But seriously, don't you think it is a bit unfair to judge the whole thing only from Timber Wolf's POV? I mean, an aspect of Brin is my #1 fave L. EVER, but in this particular case I truly think Brin acted cruel and selfish, Ayla was truly in dire need of support, and Brin should have fired from the Legion.

What has to be noted is that prior to Levitz return to the Legion, it was Brin (due to his growing feral nature) who wanted to leave the Legion and Ayla who staunchly promised that she would go with him. Later, she simply wanted the same loyalty from him that he had asked of her. Still Ayla admitted to herself that she did still love Brin after she became Lightning Lass again, but why she never took him back was never revealed

I am a Imra big fan.
In these lost asteroid, nothing really big and guilty happen.
A little talk, a big hug and no more...
Ayla was a stupid, hysteric jealousy girlfriend.
Imra always talk about the great love of Brin and Ayla.
Ayla lose Brin for nothing. Silly girl!
And Brin find a new and better love in The White Witch.

I think calling the Legion Brin's "pals" is downplaying their importance to him. I saw it more as choosing between his pack and his mate. It's just not fair to give him that ultimatum.

AMEN!

What they said. Poor Brin's spent too much time alone to give up the Legion so soon.

Well if we look at v4 it may explain why she didn't take him back. She was, um, confused.