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Great find...George Perez is a gift to comics and all comics fans. What a beautiful human being this guy is...it's always awesome to see someone truly in love with their occupation, especially when it's an art form. I think that's why George Perez has remained relevant, vital and popular for 30 years...unheard of for an artist in this industry. It's hard for me to imagine that any artist that has ever lived has loved drawing comicbooks more than George Perez.


Keep on keepin' on George :thumbsup

While I agree entirely with your praise of George Perez, I am sure that fans of people like Jack Kirby will react to a slight to their faves

I have to be one of Perez's biggest fans (for me, that Avengers storyline back in the 80's that featured the Squardon Supreme and Hellcat intro is what started the love for this artist in the first place and I've followed his craft ever since then) and I really appreciate his work on Lo3W, the man hasn't slowed down in 30 years as far as talent goes.

I can't wait to see Jeckie in her classic red/pink outfit, if it happens. I'm sure George will make her look awesome!

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we'll see Sensor Girl first so then she can drop that illusion and show the classic costume from there. Plus I hope that after that happens she finds the time to punch 3boot Projectra right in the face ... that would be so worth the price of that comic, and would also be a nice closure to the juxtaposition in characters.

Obviously there is a Colossal Boy Mini Series coming

So if, according to Perez, they are working "Marvel Style", does that mean the sequence for events is basically:

1. Johns Plots
2. Perez Draws
3. Johns Scripts
4. Finishes, coloring, production, etc.

And if they are only on step two for issue #4.... Yikes!

Must have missed that, I'll have to reread Lo3W #3 to see if I can catch it this time (not like that's bad or anything...)

True again, but Projectra did not reveal her new powers until she helped free Timber Wolf from Terror Firma. That was almost simultaneous with the bomb blast that killed Dream Girl. I had assumed that image was supposed to show a relatively early version of the Threeboot Legion because it does not have several Threeboot Legionnaires -- Sun Boy, Karate Kid, Ultra Boy, Invisible Kid, Element Lad, and Shadow Lass, among others.

Of course, there's nothing to say that she couldn't have gone on the mission without powers.

Certainly possible, but...who the heck knows? Other than knowing that Invisible Kid was the last of the initial (issue # 1 of the Waid-Kiston series) cast that joined, we have ZERO sense of the team's history. A problem with the threeboot, IMHO.

And, as Matthew E says, she may have gone on missions before she got her super-powers. I suppose if she had any fight training at all, she's at least somewhat useful. Or maybe her usefulness was her rapport with Timber Wolf.

Well, we know a little more than that. We know Karate Kid joined fairly recently (because he didn't know about Atom Girl). We know Wildfire was an early applicant. There are other things like that that can be filled in.

But we'll likely never know much more than that.

Could just be he's not a fan of the Post Criss concepts of the Legion. I know I'm not. And the Post Crisis versions have been around for a long time. I know which one I like and it tends to be similar to the one Didio seems to be letting happen. Ironically enough...Didio is probably a fan of the Shooter Swan Legion.

That said, Didio has shown himself to be a bit flakey so I'm not 100% certain of anything.


Geoff Johns OTOH, was not really rasied on the Pre Crisis Legion, he was 7 or something when the GDS came out...he grew up on the Reboot and 5YG, and says the Reboot was his favorite. So the constant accusations that he's working entirely out of a sense of nostalgia aren't really accurate. I think he's simply very adept at figuring out what worked when things worked and what didn't when they didn't....

Where did he say that?

They say the golden age of anything is 12, and Geoff was 12 in 1985, right as the Crisis began.

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...we have ZERO sense of the team's history. A problem with the threeboot, IMHO...

Y'know, when I started reading the Threeboot trades, I didn't have a problem at all with there being no Capital-O "Origin" story. My assumption was that the team had drifted together in an organic fashion. Right or wrong, it was supposed to be a "youth movement," and I imagined that the heroes came together across the galaxy in small groups before eventually banding together as one group.

I didn't find that to be problematic at all. For whatever that's worth.

Johns obviously has some affection for the reboot LSH but has said time and again his favorite version is the Levitz Legion -- the one he started out with.

But evidently he doesn’t love it quite enough to do more than pay it lip service. I'm willing to bet you'll never once hear Levitz referring to the Johnsboot as his own, nor see him giving it enthusiastic personal support he gave the early reboot and 3boot. Of all the people at DC, I suspect the biggest NON-fan of the Johnsboot "Levitz" Legion is Paul Levitz himself.

The only Legion Didio is a fan of is the one he thinks he can shill in any given month.

He said it in an interview when he was being interviewed about LO3W...

Also you can track down his early fandom by letters he wrote to the Kon-El Superboy series...and that was around the same time as the Reboot.

I know some are probably mystified based on his focus as a writer...but you know I've noticed writers of a certain generation are often to the ones that overwrite the continuity of their generation.

All the revisions of the Crisis were done by kids of the Silver Age.

John Byrne blew the Silver Age Superman off the map, and he was entirely a child of the Siver Age. He never bought a version of Superman off the stands that wasn't the Silver Age Superman.


Mark Waid is also a child of the Silver Age and one could hardly say wrote like a fan of the Silver Age Legion, since he was the one writing it out of continuity.

Giffen is similar.

There's a definite trend there.

I don't really agree about Levitz Trom..he called the weekend he read the 5YG the worst weekend of his life spent outside of the hospital.


I know I like what Johns is doing...I felt the way many of you do now after the Crisis, and the 5YG, and the Reboot...etc.


This isn't the first time Legion Fans have been disrespected. I mean I look at that ish #50 as overwriting 2 major subplots and some off characterization for a couple of characters.


As opposed to the 5YG when about 7000 pre-existing thingsw were overwritten(all the while promising a fix)...or the Reboot when, 100% of things were overwritten, also while being promised a fix.

Mark Waid is an extreme fan of the Silver Age Legion. He was the one who wrote the 5-issue ICG Legion Index and much of the Who's Who in the LSH series.

I spoke to him at the time of the reboot. He was under orders to make the post-Zero Hour "0" issue of LSH and of Legionnaires a jumping-on point for the series, something that a person who never touched a Legion comic before could read and understand everything they need to know in order to start following the Legion thereafter. He said that and Tom McCraw tried, but between the duplicate cast, the Valor/Superboy confusion, the Green Lantern changes that were occurring (affecting the Celeste character), he just couldn't. That's when they decided that the only way to do the job they were assigned to do would be the reboot. He even polled Legion fans on CompuServe for what scene captures the Legion spirit most, and those scenes in large part made up the collage of that last "Long Live the Legion" page of End of an Era.

I'm not crazy about his three-boot, but there are few bigger fans of the classic Legion than Mark Waid.

I still don't understand how changes in continuity 1000 years later would affect a character beyond the use of time travel.

Because back then, the editorial edict was "Kyle Rayner is the last Green Lantern." Even Alan Scott was made to change his name. So a Legion character running on GL-power was forbidden.

Of course, eventually, DC would change their minds about that, and now we have not only the Corps back, but Hal himself. But Mark Waid, writing a book in 1994, had to comply with 1994 editorial edicts.

Yeah. I know the history. But, that doesn't mean it makes any sense.

Johns being a Reboot fan does explain a lot why his Legion is completely away from the concepts I like.
However, first and foremost, Johns likes to tie all DC history into one semi-cohesive whole. That's what he did on GL, that's what he is trying to do with the Flash, that's what he did to Teen Titans and JSA. And that's why - I think - he is being very successful: he is less interested in starting from scratch but would rather retcon a few important things to make them all fit together. A necessary evil, if you like.
Personally, he is successful on occasion (GL for sure, JSA okay but not the Legion), and more often than not he treats every team as the same concept (JSA and Teen Titans had the same idea, and now so does LSH). He is also lucky not to be interfered by TPTB like Waid, Shooter, Giffen and DnA were - sometimes against the property -, which makes life so much easier.
All in all, he is the "right" guy at the "right" moment, for the "right" Dan Didio.