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#41098 05/10/04 06:54 AM
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#41099 05/10/04 07:13 AM
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I suspect this is just so they can have a new Legion of Super-Heroes #1 for Waid.

I *hope* anyway - if the Legion is ever cancelled for real, they're screwed more than any other comic series. Given the at-most-tangential links to the DCU, anyone reviving the series after any sort of hiatus could do *anything* to it, from rebooting again to the 5YG-on-crack.

At least it looks like the final issue has an absolutely beautiful cover .


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#41100 05/10/04 11:56 AM
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I wonder if this is a marketing ploy to get the fans rabid for a new legion book, or if tptb are planning a new compendium type comic, called say Adventure Comics? smile which will feature the Legion as one of many stories?


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5 YEAR GAP????? Oh I do hope so! Bring back Giffen, the nine panel grid and dark and moody futures for all.....

actually... maybe not eh? It was fairly brilliant at the time but can they just get on with it already now please.....

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This is the sad state of the industry these days.

Few titles stick around more than a few years, and constant relaunchings are deemed necessary to sustain interest in older characters. It's like trying to plug all the holes in the Titanic.

Can't say I'm surprised, but I am disappointed. Wonder how long we'll have to wait for the next relaunch.


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#41103 05/10/04 02:44 PM
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Re: that cover -- looks like maybe someone's getting a reboot? (and a gender switch) Land does beautiful work, but it looks a little awkward to me how the main character's torso seems like a big yellow slab disconnected from the hands, face and faces of the other characters on either side of her.

btw, that's a pretty tight outfit if you can see her belly-button!

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I am simultaneously (i) disappointed/shocked/in premature mourning and (ii) secretly thrilled at the prospect of what may be in store for the Legion next, which I imagine/hope will be something old school fans would appreciate while at the same time moving boldly into the future...


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#41105 05/10/04 02:58 PM
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On any other day this thread would be about Lar's ass, wouldn't it?

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Regarding the "big plans" for the Legion ... I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they'll take over Morrison's original plans for the GLC -- they'll be troubleshooters throughout *Hypertime* -- which means we'll actually get a hypertime mishmash of Legionnaires striking throughout a myriad of dimensions Authority style (but without all the blood and fascism). As a bonus, the Time Trapper will end up being their "Jarvis", holding down the interdimensional fort. The book will be written by Morrison with art by Perez.

Well, that's a guess (not necessarily something I'd want to happen).

The only other "big" (i.e. capable of attracting new readers) plans I can imagine is that the Legion will become a lot more tied to the Superman family.

#41107 05/10/04 03:14 PM
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Ummm, okay...

Now, is the lady either singing or using her powers from her hand? Is it inferno in a new costume? Or, as one response eluded to, a new, female Element Lass(Lad)?

Cause i didn't recognize her. If that was Imra, she changed a lot. If it was Andromeda, i didn't recognize her, or Shazam...

Color me lost.

And i sincerely hope this is yet another reboot, cause if not, DC seems intent on chucking all its potential moneymakers into the garbage disposal.

The amount of books i buy is far down from what i used to buy. And i don't see any real new books coming out that would take the place of Legion.


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#41108 05/10/04 03:20 PM
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Ummm, okay...

Now, is the lady either singing or using her powers from her hand? Is it inferno in a new costume? Or, as one response eluded to, a new, female Element Lass(Lad)?
From the article, it appears to be a new version of Black Canary (she's referred to as "Canary" and the other members of her team take on other 21st century hero names I think). I was thinking at first that it might be a rebooted Tyroc.

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drake's idea is bold indeed... i have a feeling i wouldn't like that either, altho' i'd give it a shot like always...

but trying to think of 'big' things... hasn't jim lee indicated several times how much he would love to draw the legion? (not saying i would love that, but it sure would be a "big thing" and get the legion some attention).


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#41110 05/10/04 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Faraway Lad:
I wonder if this is a marketing ploy to get the fans rabid for a new legion book, or if tptb are planning a new compendium type comic, called say Adventure Comics? smile which will feature the Legion as one of many stories?
Have you looked at what happens to anothology books these days? There's no easier way to get a book cancelled....


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Big plans, eh? Well, I'll play the conjecture game:

Maybe instead of a regular monthly we'll get a series of miniseries, or graphic novels.


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#41112 05/11/04 12:37 AM
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That could be good and offer more scope for character focus and different types of stories. I wouldn't mind seeing Legion move to the Vertigo line with a more "mature reader" (hah!) approach.


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#41113 05/11/04 02:43 AM
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The Legion will never stay cancelled! They never have for long anyway. Maybe someone has realized it's time to bring back the "original Legionnaires"...you know, the ones that were disrespectfully discarded all those years ago. Here comes our true pre-boot Legion. One can hope! This CANNOT mean the end of the Legion! It will be very interesting to see where this goes!


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I'm not too concerned about it. I felt that the editor's quote was very tongue-in-cheek. I'm sure the title is being cancelled and then relaunched in a new direction.

I seriously doubt that after 40+ years the Legion is going to be discarded.


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I agree, but enough with these reboots already!!! I've been a Legion fan since 1980 and I know I'll continue coming back. The LSH has survived all of these years on "cult level" fan support, loyal readers...not particularly fans new to the book. Those individuals...much like myself, will always be back no matter what!


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#41116 05/11/04 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by MYG:
Maybe someone has realized it's time to bring back the "original Legionnaires"...you know, the ones that were disrespectfully discarded all those years ago. Here comes our true pre-boot Legion. One can hope!
Perhaps one can hope, but it won't be this one. I first learned of Legion with the post-boot, so I'd feel as betrayed as the fans were when the reboot occurred. I'd be happy it was continuing in some form, and I'd still read it, but I would lose my great enthusiasm for the book, since these (the preboot characters) would not be the Legion I know and love.

But regardless of stance on the pre/post-boot issue, eliminating the past...erm...not sure how many years worth of stories for nostalgia is not a good thing, and demonstrates even further that DC has no idea what they're doing. If they're going to relaunch the book (rather than letting it remain cancelled), a return to over thirty years' worth of baggage is not going to entice new readers, merely drive them further away...


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What if they reboot the book and ditch the baggage by introducing totally new characters?!?!

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What if they reboot the book and ditch the baggage by introducing totally new characters?!?!
I'd certainly give the book a try, since the concept of a 31st century superteam is appealing - but that baggage and I have been together for quite a while. I would surely miss it.

Could they just start up with all new characters, or would they have to forward the group to "Next Generation"?


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#41119 05/12/04 03:54 AM
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What if they reboot the book and ditch the baggage by introducing totally new characters?!?!
Then to me it would not be the Legion of Super Heroes.

If there were totally new characters, even set in the 31st century, it would be a new and different team book. Granted it would have "connections" to the Legion, in much the same way that the JLA has "connections" to the JSA, and it might share locations, supporting characters etc, but at the end of the day it would not be the Legion.

Maybe there is a demand for a "next generation" book I don't know. I do know that Star Trek Next Generation was a television programmes response to a fact of nature, i.e. actors are real people who get old and cannot sustain the illusion of young action heroes anymore. But we read comics, that is not a factor here, characters remain young and vibrant forever (otherwise if Superman and Batman aged normally as per “real world time” they would at least be in a home for the elderly by now) so we have no pressing reason to have a next generation of Legionnaires other than a desire to create a “new” book.

For me I want to read stories about a group of super teens in the future led by figures called Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl and Lightning Lad (well ok Livewire at a push) wink not a new group of people whose only connection to the Legion is a name. That’s not to say I wouldn’t buy such a comic just that I would have to compartmentalise it away from the Legion, much as I do with L.E.G.I.O.N. if that makes any sense?


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Originally posted by MYG:
[b] Maybe someone has realized it's time to bring back the "original Legionnaires"...you know, the ones that were disrespectfully discarded all those years ago. Here comes our true pre-boot Legion. One can hope!
Perhaps one can hope, but it won't be this one. I first learned of Legion with the post-boot, so I'd feel as betrayed as the fans were when the reboot occurred. I'd be happy it was continuing in some form, and I'd still read it, but I would lose my great enthusiasm for the book, since these (the preboot characters) would not be the Legion I know and love.

But regardless of stance on the pre/post-boot issue, eliminating the past...erm...not sure how many years worth of stories for nostalgia is not a good thing, and demonstrates even further that DC has no idea what they're doing. If they're going to relaunch the book (rather than letting it remain cancelled), a return to over thirty years' worth of baggage is not going to entice new readers, merely drive them further away...[/b]
Hear hear on all counts Pex.


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#41121 05/12/04 04:33 AM
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Then to me it would not be the Legion of Super Heroes.
Funny, that's exactly how I felt after the first reboot.

I seriously doubt that DC will leave the book in limbo for any extended period. They may try something new format-wise, but the concept is older than most in comics and they know that they have a ready made audience. They won't abandon us for the simple reason that they can make money off of us. The Legion will continue. It may go in some interesting new directions, but it'll still be there.

Further, I don't think that it will be rebooted. The original reboot was as much a response to the ungodly mess that had been made of the book's continuity as it was to diminishing sales. And it was not an editorial decision, so I don't think that the current editors would make that drastic a move.

At any rate, I'm sure we'll hear something soon. Right now they're just trying to keep us in suspense.

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At any rate, I'm sure we'll hear something soon. Right now they're just trying to keep us in suspense.
Which, in my opinion, is a HORRIBLE way to do business. "Hey, let's cancel the series, keep 'em all in the dark, and then when they're in complete despair, we'll announce the re-launch. They'll love us! Sound like a good plan?"

No, it doesn't, and I really don't think that the TPTB at DC make decisions like this. I genuinely think, AT THIS MOMENT, nobody at DC knows what to do with LSH, and they're waiting for some writer/artist to come up with a viable direction.

That's my "in the dark" gut instinct.


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