Legion World Forums LEGION CLUBHOUSE The Legion of Super-Heroes Long Live the Legion! Legion September 2008 Solicitations and Images ... SPOILERS

i'll really be pissed if the cover characters are Chameleon, a waitress, and the waitress's boyfriend- the cook, and in the story it's a cute 3 panel bit like the "Shvaughn cover".
RE: the Saturn Girl/Ultra Boy/Lightning Lad triangle...Shooter's up to something with the legionnaires slowly turning to their dark sides. Projectra's imperious rages, Timber Wolf's bestial rages... now it's Saturn Girl's turn. isn't the arc called "Evil Rising" or somesuch.

Good call, Gorilla. There might be something to it indeed. But it doesn't seem to be Cham in there. I would say these are brand new characters. From the studies on Manapul's page, it seems a kind of humourous cover, however.

i'm pretty sure it's imra and garth, guys, i haven't been cleverly surprised by the solicits on these yet, have you?

seriously? we have to wait for three months for that? because i'm pretty sure it was over when jo put his mouth on imra and she didn't seem to care. this is officially the slowest arc in the history of the universe.

oh and if someone does ask didio why he squashed shooter, i hope lots of people stand up and respond with "probably because he sucks". the only thing keeping me on this book right now is manapul's slick art and designs. I'm considering using white out on my singles and writing in my own dialogue. (imra asking LL to own her will now be 'you know, cheese is really delicious')

i'm sort of glad he's digging himself into a deeper hole so even more people will realize, with the death of their favorite couple, that he's nuts. i almost hope he goes even crazier, that their true enemy is revealed to be a basket of small kittens and puppies and they kill them all brutally in the most horrifying issue of anything ever made. then everyone will see the end of his run as the blessing that it is. GOD i want bedard back on this. or make geoff johns write this too, he's writing fifty books, why not one more?

Bedard? The Search of Cosmic Boy who didn't find Cosmic Boy Bedard? You gotta be kidding...

Shooter is building up an arch of interconnected stories - like the LSH of "before-it-sucked" LSH - and finally giving these characters some three-dimensional personalities. I can't really see what is wrong with that. Sales, so far, have been above M&K's last issues, so they are very okay, considering Shooter is a high profile name just for old timers and LSH freaks.

And, no, I don't like the way stories have been told after Giffen's run, where every plot would take 4 issues, with 80% being long "action scenes".

In fact, it is funny you mentioned Johns. His GL Blackest Night is taking forever to develop. In fact, it started way back in 2006. Or how about JSA, whose first arch is STILL running after almost 2 years? If there is a writer these days with long, really long, slow burning tales, is Johns. I am perfectly fine with that.

And break-up stories are NOT new in Legion lore. In fact, one of my favorite subplots was TMK's Rond-Laurel-Brainy love triangle. And make-ups are always possible. So, please, let's not be so crazy about it and enjoy some drama, will we?

i think cosmic boy stayed not-found because he's the, dundundun, time trapper. i'll point out that it's better than the whole team getting amnesia about him being missing and all plot threads being utterly dropped from the previous run.

i enjoy drama when it MAKES SENSE. i also enjoy a WELL WRITTEN slowly unfolding tale (in fact, i did a summer long research project on the art of the unfolding text in the Sopranos, if that's not a long running project, I don't know what is). the way you keep your readers interested is by explaining SOMETHING, wrapping up SOMETHING, in your issue, tiny arcs within your massive arc to keep readers feeling fulfilled and interested.

what shooter is doing with this book, beyond the fact that it's offending my senses, does not satisfy any of these tenets.

What amnesia? It has been established in LSH #37 that Cos has decided to take a break from the Legion.
Become the Time Trapper? What, are we heading towards Zero Hour, again? Sorry, I don't buy it. In fact, we have been discussing it in here .
And can you show me what "plot threads" were left open from the previous run? The book had no plot whatsoever! It had a bunch of self-containing stories and barely touched on why the Legion even existed! It was a movement, then it wasn't, then Supergirl shows up, then Cos is missing, then he is not...

So you mean the whole Saturn Moon invasion, who took place from 37-39 was not wrapping up to something. Ok, I see. Not.
You haven't replied to my Johns argument, by the way. And The Sopranos does not deal with a huge cast of characters. That's more like the Levitz/Shooter standard of storytelling. In fact, there is a DC book on plotting you should look out.

Ok, you may not like it, but I find it very offensive to say Shooter doesn't understand what is like writing Legion books. He nailed it, finally. But, from what I am seeing here, most of those who are not enjoying his runs are more recently converted fans, the ones who liked the crap sub X-Men that came after TMK.

WHAT? taking a BREAK? we see him step into a time portal to go chill with people from the future! And then they go look for him because they have no idea what happened to him (cos forgot to leave a note...?). and then they can't find him and then... nothing. they all start fighting monsters forever and ever.

the sopranos had a very large cast, and currently shooters run has only dealt with a very small amount of the legion characters. or try A song of ice and fire series? with the biggest cast I've ever seen? every chapter or so something tends to happen, something actually gets DONE.

and saying "i don't mind when something is well written and long" is my reply to your geoff johns argument, by the way.

he might have nailed something for YOU, i have no idea what that is, but for me, I'm not entertained by lame representations of female characters, plot points tossed in at the last second ('oh, by the way, my gun is different from yours, salu. sorry i didn't feel like giving you one.' 'Oh, I didn't mention that Imra sent me a compressed packet of thoughts early on in the issue?' 'oh you know how the UP shut us down last issue? Okay they undid their decision right now.'), and having to wait for a year while he stretches out a plot that really has merit for about 5 issues tops.

This was explained in the same issue Cos disappeared. The whole 'search for Cosmic Boy' was a series of machinations by Brainy to do other stuff (like get Kara back to the 20th and setup Timber Wolf for a powerup and introduce the idea of Wildfire as a potential Legion recruit).

Nobody has worried about Cos' 'disappearance' since 2 panels after it happened, when Saturn Girl inexplicably proclaimed that it weren't no thang and everybody accepted her declaration and went on to do other stuff (until Brainy tricked everyone into doing a bunch of unrelated errands for him, lying about a 'search for Cosmic Boy').

Shooter hasn't run with it, because both Waid and Bedard handled that already, and he will bring back Cosmic Boy when he's got something to do with him, instead of having people idly mention 'Hey, is Cos still missing?' every few issues to make them look like verybadnogood friends for 'forgetting' him.

It was established by Waid. He wasn't 'forgotten,' he was pronounced by Telepath Chick to be in no danger, and everyone agreed with Telepath Chick that he was probably on vacation or something, working on his tan.

Was it a graceful explanation? Not really. I, for one, didn't know that telepaths also had the power to tell if a missing person was taken against their will, disintigrated or just plain et up by some space-beastie, but apparently Imra can do that, or at least, everyone on the team seems to believe that she can do that. (Or nobody really wanted to worry about it until next issue when Brainy suddenly clutched his pearls and said, 'Oh, split up and go to all these different planets to look for Cosmic Boy, even 'though there's no reason at all he'd be on Winath or Lallor or whatever...')

But it's what Shooter was handed, and he's not gone out of his way to do anything about that. Given how many characters he has to work with, and how he clearly wants to develop each of them (with little glimpses into their rooms, their private conversations, their doubts and fears, etc.), Cosmic Boy, who got a HECK of a lot of focus in the Waid run, can stay in the 40th century for a few more months, as far as I'm concerned. He's one of my favorite characters, but I also like the rest of the team, and am not at all suffering from getting to see the rest of them fleshed out a little, since they were really thinly-drawn and one-dimensional in the first 30 or so issues of this run, IMO.

This, IMO, is the best-written run since Lightle was drawing the book. (I'm clueless about names, so I have no idea who was writing during the Universo Project / LSV war on Orando / death of KK era.)

I am almost sure this was Paul Levitz, in 1984, and occasionally Keith Giffen as co-plotter. But correct me if I am wrong...

I think LSh was consistently well written during the 80s and early 90s, with a complete fall-off after Giffen left. Now, it is clearly the first time in years I actually wait anxiously for next month's batch of LSH comics.

I just love reading WILDFIRE's name in a DC solit....

I am loving Shooter's run so far so I am hoping he stays around after L3W.

Ricardo, IMO, newer fans have a right to favour any era of the Legion they please (just as older fans do), without it being said that their taste in comics is "crap." Personally, I favour everything between the Great Darkness Saga to the End of an Era storylines, but nevertheless try my best to find things in each subsequent incarnation of the book that I like.

Anyway, on the topic of the Ultra Boy cover, I have a bad feeling that the alien on the left is supposed to be Tellus. I think that he looked fine the way he was originally depicted.

I didn't mean their taste was crap, just that the writing on that period was crap compared to what came before and what is coming up now... Legion has never been "news" or "unique" ever since TMK. Shooter is probably the first time recently where Legion has received some extra attention. Obviously, this was overshadowed by Johns' L3W.

Sorry, I just don't agree - it comes across as condescending, frankly.

And while the action on the book *is* improving somewhat, I am not super impressed despite the fanboyism for Shooter.

And count me in the negative column on the Garth/Imra split. I agree that it is something that should be a constant across versions and not messed with. Hell, I had a problem with the Imra/Rokk "romance" in the reboot (then again, it was part of the Team 20 drek...) and I was a "recent convert" then.

re: Ambush Bug cover.

Amanda Conner is GOD!

think we will see October solicitation for new books tomorrow or next Monday? I was not sure of the date because tomorrow it'll be 14th and next week will be 21st...we tends to get those solicitations around 18th...so it's in the middle...14th or 21st?

Would they even have a Lo3W #3 cover up by then? I need something more than floating Imra heads...

there is a new solicitation on L3W showing Cosmic Boy on the cover #3. here's the link -

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080721-dc-solicitations.html

Dawnstar's back to the 20th Century again...alongside Wildfire and Polar Boy - I think that it is Polar Boy's first trip to 20th century ever.

I really loved how all Cosmic Boys are drawn on the #3...so looks like we may see the 3boot Cosmic Boy soon.

Ahh, but I'd say they're strategically placed, if you know what I mean. Glad to see DC knows how to represent their respect for those big hero icons, with the 2 marketing variants barely visible. I'll do you all a favour and post October up.